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Whisp

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75. everything is not okay.

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 03:30 PM

Aug 2013

there has been no solid proof of this vast network of spying on Americans by the government.

Snowden couldn't, didn't, wouldn't provide proof to what he claimed – that he could get into Obama's email and phone, etc. People are just taking his word on that. Now to me, I have serious questions of motives of those who would believe him so strongly, without proof.

It's just another wild ride put out by the crazies (like libertarian Greenwald and his spooky ideas of supporting Citisens United and being pro gun) like all those other non scandals. But this one is sticking a bit longer because it hit the jackpot of sleight of hand and agenda. The privacy boogyman is more important than all else, jobs, fair pay, environment and climate change, Fukishima, all of this is on the side dish because of this nonsense.

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Glenn Greenwald's Article On NSA Snooping Actually Snooped On Everyone Who Clicked [View all] Whisp Aug 2013 OP

Just as I remain skeptical of anything Greenwald says... randome Aug 2013 #1

It would be up to the Guardian, not to Greenwald. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #135

Yeah, that sounds more likely. randome Aug 2013 #154

My head just exploded. AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #2

Lol! But that's different! BenzoDia Aug 2013 #3

Only in that corporations can't use the evidence they gather against you in a court of law. TalkingDog Aug 2013 #44

Not unless those corporations want to sue you civilly, of course. MrScorpio Aug 2013 #120

Point taken. And as I suggested in the body of my post: I don't view them as different n/t TalkingDog Aug 2013 #158

Let's seen. At even one penny per reader.... NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #4

I'm not going to say Greenwald's reporting is completely about money sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #32

I thought most corporate websites did this. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #5

Yes abelenkpe Aug 2013 #6

isn't that surveillance as well? Whisp Aug 2013 #7

Yep, the potential for abuse is there. BenzoDia Aug 2013 #11

It's a type of surveillance. Me reading your posts is a type of surveillance too. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #15

Can the Guardian arrest you? nt Union Scribe Aug 2013 #28

Wait till the Guardian has Drone Capabilities, ya better watch yourself. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #36

They Can Send You To Economic Hell... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #49

"BOTH need to be investigated" Union Scribe Aug 2013 #61

Very true. That would be a horrible experience. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #140

Private Corporate Invasion... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #146

No, but the information garnered on you by corporations can prevent you from getting a job, KittyWampus Aug 2013 #130

Ask Sergey Aleynikov or Peter Adekeye. joshcryer Aug 2013 #174

Are you aware that virtually every commercial Internet site uses tracking cookies? This one, too leveymg Aug 2013 #131

You hit the nail on the head. go west young man Aug 2013 #134

Bob Cesca is a source of disinformation. leveymg Aug 2013 #143

Laws that protect the privacy of all legal activity on the web would be great. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #138

Basically almost everyone does this (blogs, forums, etc) NoOneMan Aug 2013 #81

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #8

whatsamatta you? something got in your craw? Whisp Aug 2013 #10

Yes...THAT'S metadata...and how it works... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #9

Did you check the source of that article Aerows Aug 2013 #12

That post is a statement by WaPo editors about its site being hacked. ProSense Aug 2013 #48

I'll sit back and wait Aerows Aug 2013 #56

Download Ghostery and check it yourself. MineralMan Aug 2013 #70

Ghostery is blocking 20 on this Business Insider article ... too funny ... n/t RKP5637 Aug 2013 #133

Bob Cesca also reported in the Daily Banter about how the NSA is making pnwmom Aug 2013 #74

So you're blaming Greenwald for what the Guardian does. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #13

Something taken from a site Aerows Aug 2013 #21

just funny as all hell is what it is... Whisp Aug 2013 #25

the "Snoopery" AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #102

this one is narcisstic enough for GG... Whisp Aug 2013 #106

Did the person who blew the whistle on Ghostery get his passport pulled? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #14

More like the source was Aerows Aug 2013 #18

Now that my dear friend Whisp arely staircase Aug 2013 #16

Indeed it is Aerows Aug 2013 #19

Bob Cesca is a much better source than Greenwald. nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #20

The Onion Aerows Aug 2013 #22

Never heard of the Daily Evangelical nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #24

Of course not Aerows Aug 2013 #26

Did you read the Daily Banter article? bunnies Aug 2013 #31

I did Aerows Aug 2013 #38

Im not saying it should be taken as gospel... bunnies Aug 2013 #50

The article certainly isn't Aerows Aug 2013 #54

Of course I think those things are different... bunnies Aug 2013 #59

When you post on a site Aerows Aug 2013 #67

I agree with what youre saying. bunnies Aug 2013 #73

Those Facebook buttons track you whether you click on them or not. arcane1 Aug 2013 #76

Good luck to them Aerows Aug 2013 #80

Cesca has kept his head while so many are losing theirs... Whisp Aug 2013 #33

You are free to take that site 100% seriously Aerows Aug 2013 #35

That is a matter of opinion, isn't it? nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #100

Only if you are Alanis Morrisette. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #167

i heard Greenwald likes Matt Damon movies Enrique Aug 2013 #17

I thought it was Sean Connery - To Russia With Lurve.... n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #23

I hear greenwald fans like insipid deflection. Cha Aug 2013 #71

That all ya got, Cha? Th1onein Aug 2013 #110

The Daily Banter? LittleBlue Aug 2013 #27

Heres the article BI took the snip from... bunnies Aug 2013 #30

Judge for yourself. Aerows Aug 2013 #34

Why is it OK for private companies to snoop Whisp Aug 2013 #29

Because corporations can't put your ass in jail, or send swat teams over, or share your info with Th1onein Aug 2013 #40

I think they live in smilie-land grasswire Aug 2013 #47

Then tell me who has been Swatted and jailed as a result of NSA spying. Whisp Aug 2013 #51

You won't get any Aerows Aug 2013 #58

There doesn't "got to be" anything. THAT is secret, too! Or have you never heard of the SOD Th1onein Aug 2013 #63

everything is not okay. Whisp Aug 2013 #75

I'm sorry but you are dead ass wrong. Th1onein Aug 2013 #91

save your pity for the suckers who give GG money. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #94

I doubt it has a thing to do with GG, but you already know that, don't you? Th1onein Aug 2013 #95

well, when I got to choose between door #1 and door #2... Whisp Aug 2013 #97

So sad......When you can't win an argument because the FACTS are not on your side... Th1onein Aug 2013 #104

I like ad hominem grits, got lots of good fibre. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #109

And now, nonsense. Th1onein Aug 2013 #115

You have to understand Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #127

yes it has, because each one that the GOP and media feed to, ahem, certain people Whisp Aug 2013 #148

I'm sorry. So you're saying you have no problem with the DEA committing perjury in court? Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #149

I have a big problem with believing anything someone on the internet just spouts out Whisp Aug 2013 #150

"someone on the internet" - you mean, like reuters? Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #151

I actually meant what you typed in your previous post... Whisp Aug 2013 #152

I don't find assertions that the Constitution is being shat on in the name of the drug war Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #153

Pot kettle and all that. FFS. n/t JTFrog Aug 2013 #177

The Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT. bananas Aug 2013 #178

I didn't see this until now, bananas. Thanks for posting it. Th1onein Aug 2013 #179

So the NSA spying has never led to a single arrest? Union Scribe Aug 2013 #65

no, some are saying that the NSA spies on everyone, all the time. Whisp Aug 2013 #88

Except the normal procedure in a "crime" (read: Granny has a pot plant in her closet) Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #103

You missed the part about the DEA constructing "parallel evidence trails" (read: lying in court) Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #69

He didn't miss it. He ignored it. Because it didn't fit the talking points. Th1onein Aug 2013 #96

But aside from the drug users incarcerated based upon phony evidence trails, Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #98

Well, if the breach of your, mine, and everyone else's Fourth Amendment rights mean nothing..... Th1onein Aug 2013 #101

See! You can't prove it! Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #105

ROFLMAO! Th1onein Aug 2013 #107

your question is naive or duplicitous on so many levels nt grasswire Aug 2013 #41

Because the government works for corporations n/t arcane1 Aug 2013 #53

Lets start with it isn't ok. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #55

I have the feeling you'll be a long time waiting on that answer. neverforget Aug 2013 #170

Doesn't DU do this too? grasswire Aug 2013 #37

I'm pretty sure Aerows Aug 2013 #43

The only thing Ghostery detects on DU is Google Analytics. MineralMan Aug 2013 #60

Also Google Adsense DJ13 Aug 2013 #78

Not if you have a star membership. MineralMan Aug 2013 #86

Ghostery only shows 15 trackers now Progressive dog Aug 2013 #39

I got the same results. arcane1 Aug 2013 #46

Answer your own question Aerows Aug 2013 #52

They are there, they are real, they are trackers. Progressive dog Aug 2013 #82

this crap has been going on for thousands of years olddots Aug 2013 #42

I'm using Ghostery with Firefox, but it only counted 15 blocked items for me arcane1 Aug 2013 #45

Oh my...I am so scared of the UK Guardian! What will those Brits do to me? dkf Aug 2013 #57

They are using AJAX Aerows Aug 2013 #62

Thank goodness I don't know what you are speaking of or I may be alarmed. dkf Aug 2013 #83

Maybe some Snowden at the Guardian wants to come clean... gulliver Aug 2013 #64

So The Guardian embedded tracking bugs in a Greenwald article and you rhett o rick Aug 2013 #66

IT IS AMAZING, isn't it? How FAR they will reach, to try to justify our government spying on us! Th1onein Aug 2013 #72

I am compiling a list of arguments used by the non-anti-authoritarians to justify taking rhett o rick Aug 2013 #79

I think they're airing out a new one, too: WE just don't understand how the internet works. Th1onein Aug 2013 #93

I think it's more like, The Guardian spys, everyone spys, so dont pay attention to NSA/Booz-Allen rhett o rick Aug 2013 #124

If GG cared, he would only publish to a Word document on his computer NoOneMan Aug 2013 #84

I'll send him a chisel and a slab of rock. Whisp Aug 2013 #89

But the anthropologists! Theyll spy on him rendering him a hypocrite (fallacy: Ad Hominem Tu Quoque) NoOneMan Aug 2013 #108

Is this chiseled or painted, I can't tell... Whisp Aug 2013 #111

I see the best of all possible worlds NoOneMan Aug 2013 #139

ZOMG! Because a cookie is the EXACT SAME THING as the DEA using NSA spy data to prosecute drug use! Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #68

BINGO! populistdriven Aug 2013 #141

Same with DU NoOneMan Aug 2013 #77

This is why no one takes you apologists seriously anymore. Marr Aug 2013 #85

you're not so constructive criticisms are not so becoming either Whisp Aug 2013 #92

NOBODY is trashing this administration. Th1onein Aug 2013 #112

This is a deceitful piece of bullshit you're pushing here. Marr Aug 2013 #114

woah. hold on there, don't bust a gasket... Whisp Aug 2013 #117

I've noticed you can never defend the positions you take. /nt Marr Aug 2013 #119

No, but he can stage a personal attack against you, implying that you're on edge. Th1onein Aug 2013 #121

yeah, the Guardian allows a lot of crap on their website Warpy Aug 2013 #87

Of course, he did. Wonder if the irony flew over Cha Aug 2013 #90

Ha. Web marketing companies do a lot of this nonsense - and you thought only the NSA sucked geckosfeet Aug 2013 #99

The Guardian is NOT MY GOVERNMENT 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #113

Absolutely, 99th_Monkey. Th1onein Aug 2013 #126

of course not, it's in London. Whisp Aug 2013 #176

And this is the meat of the whole issue. Time for some folks to hit the BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #116

Today's talking points are in: Glenn Greenwald is a hypocrite due to the actions of the Guardian.... xocet Aug 2013 #118

Oh, for crying out loud matt819 Aug 2013 #122

if you are getting tired, take a nice little nappy. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #123

And there you have it, folks. Th1onein Aug 2013 #125

You wasted your keystrokes on this brilliant reply? (nt) matt819 Aug 2013 #144

He has nothing else. He lost the argument and is now just treading water. Th1onein Aug 2013 #145

Leave the DEA alone!!!! Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #128

It's irony, ha ha ha ha Kolesar Aug 2013 #129

They've been proved wrong about the lies and abuses... last1standing Aug 2013 #161

Uh oh Phlem Aug 2013 #132

Editorial needs to have a chat with marketing Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #136

And Business Insider has 20 bugs blocked... if I disable Ghostery, there are probably close to 60... ReverendDeuce Aug 2013 #137

Tracking cookies are not what we are concerned about. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #142

I refused to click on his article from the beginning.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #147

This would mean more if there was a comparison Babel_17 Aug 2013 #155

Bob Cesca......LOL. n/t morningfog Aug 2013 #156

Glenn Greenwad..... LOLzer. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #157

Does the Guardian have a Constitution that makes it's snooping illegal? last1standing Aug 2013 #159

BEWARE: They are an advertising technology company that collects & sells your data drventure Aug 2013 #160

So does every website you go to, so according to your logic... Corruption Inc Aug 2013 #162

why isn't he having shitfits about corporate spying? Whisp Aug 2013 #163

Because corporations are not the government. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #166

BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT HE IS REPORTING ON! AND ITS NOT THE ISSUE! Th1onein Aug 2013 #173

can you say that again, I didnt hear you... Whisp Aug 2013 #175

I'm sorry, Whisp. Didn't mean to yell. Th1onein Aug 2013 #180

That's okay, I know I've done that once in a while. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #182

TOO MUCH COFFEE! Th1onein Aug 2013 #183

NOT ENOUGH BEER! Whisp Aug 2013 #184

Really? THIS OP is what you have been reduced to? RetroLounge Aug 2013 #164

I know-- arguing that a website cookie is at all comparable to NSA spying... Marr Aug 2013 #171

When The Guardian can put me in jail, I might care. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #165

I hope NSA likes the same kind of Gay Porn I do. donheld Aug 2013 #168

Oh, good god... Hissyspit Aug 2013 #169

Firefox browser to move ahead with �Do Not Track� option ProSense Aug 2013 #172

That websites use cookies is as far as Bob Cesca will ever get to a bombshell story David Krout Aug 2013 #181

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #185

Customers who will believe anything are a premium. gulliver Aug 2013 #186