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In reply to the discussion: It's a shame that Democratic abandonment of anti-war has left the door open to Ron Paul types [View all]Progressive dog
(7,564 posts)134. How would anyone think Rand Paul is anti-war?
This is from Rand Paul's mouth about Christie
What does he want to do, shut down military bases in Kentucky? he told CNN host Wolf Blitzer. In order to have enough money for national defense, which I think is a priority for the government, you have to be willing to cut spending in other places,
He wants to increase spending for war and then he makes a claim that he is against war.
As for his lying daddy, he wrote
Even the supposedly draconian cuts called for in the sequestration budget bill would keep military spending at 2006 levels when adjusted for inflation, which is about as high in terms of GDP as during World War II.
which is an outrageous lie. In terms of GDP, military spending reached about 50% of GDP during WWII, today it is less than 10%.
Anyone who only cares about elections can claim to be anti-war, but when a voter supports proven liars like Ron or big military spenders like Rand, that voter is not a Democrat.
As for this that you wrote
Why don't I attack Republicans more is a question I am sometimes asked... well the simple answer is that they will never listen to me. I have no influence with them, no leverage. But I do, or should, have at lease SOME with my own party.
Attacking the elected Democratic President for abandoning an anti-war stance that he never professed is not a way to assert leverage over actual Democrats. Siding with Libertarian, lying nuts against the Democratic President for not endorsing the claims of the accused felon Snowden is not a good way to convince actual Democrats that you are one of them.
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It's a shame that Democratic abandonment of anti-war has left the door open to Ron Paul types [View all]
Bonobo
Aug 2013
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RKP5637
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#119
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HardTimes99
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letting the Loyalists, of course, blame the outrage against banksters itself...
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#22
Yeah, yeah, we get it, the Pauls are assholes. No big fucking revelation there.
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To think that she is in an opposition party to the Party of Bomb bomb bomb Iran, McCain.
bahrbearian
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#96
the politicians count on that kind of attitude to continue doing whatever they want.
liberal_at_heart
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liberal_at_heart
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liberal_at_heart
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#71
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