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Catherina

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28. I'm going to leave it with the original title but you bring up a different good point.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:42 PM
Aug 2013

The 5000 were all federal employees from the DOD, NSA, CIA who registered on child porn websites using their government email addresses or APO and FPO zip codes. Out of about 1500 who downloaded child porn (in addition to viewing it), only about 200 of those were prosecuted and most of the charges were dropped. The several dozen you're pointing out were just from one case in California, not the larger operation.

I don't have the ACLU's resources or what other information they used but, based on just the information in the OP, I agree the title could use some work besides the numbers are unclear.

As you pointed out

"Because many important details are blacked out in the documents, it is impossible to determine precisely how many individuals with ties to the Pentagon were either charged with or suspected of receiving child pornography.


There's also this that explains that the 5000 paid money to access child porn websites operated overseas.

Many of those apprehended were swept up in a much broader probe initiated by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency in 2006. Operation Flicker identified an estimated 5,000 people who had paid money over the Internet to access websites operated overseas. But until now, it has not been disclosed that a sizable number of cases were referred to the Defense Department for investigation because they involved military personnel, intelligence officials, or defense contractors….

At least two of the cases were contractors with top secret clearances at the National Security Agency, which eavesdrops on foreign communications, according to the documents. When one of the contractors was indicted two years ago, he fled the country and is believed to be hiding in Libya, according to a summary of the investigation from last year. The other was sentenced in 2008 to more than five years in prison and lifetime probation….

"Some are in high-ranking positions, in positions of trust," said John Sheehan, executive director of the exploited child division at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which has been consulted on many of these cases and has reviewed 36 million images of alleged child pornography since 2002 at the request of law enforcement agencies. "There isn't a profile or stereotype, which makes it even more challenging for law enforcement."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/07/23/pentagon_workers_tied_to_child_porn/


Out of those 5000, how many of them were "watchers"? I think that's where you have a point and the title messes up unless by watcher they mean more than people who work in surveillance.

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Yikes. The Hall Monitors have ... DirkGently Aug 2013 #1
This is disturbing on so many levels Catherina Aug 2013 #3
Indeed. Many many levels. n/t hootinholler Aug 2013 #4
I'm still amazed people have no idea how easy or prevalent this is laundry_queen Aug 2013 #14
THIS is a very serious problem, but it has nothing to do with the NSA pnwmom Aug 2013 #17
as far as we know questionseverything Aug 2013 #36
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #20
This sort of thing has been going on for a while. Here is a related story from 2010. xocet Aug 2013 #23
Dozens of the hall monitors have been implicated -- which is bad enough. pnwmom Aug 2013 #8
Rules are for the proles. nt bemildred Aug 2013 #2
Would you please change your title? There were dozens involved, not 5,000. pnwmom Aug 2013 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Aug 2013 #12
I'm going to leave it with the original title but you bring up a different good point. Catherina Aug 2013 #28
Your title is wrong because it falsely implies that all 5000 are FBI, CIA, NSA, pnwmom Aug 2013 #29
You should contact the ACLU directly. Maybe they'll be able to straighten it all out for you. n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #31
You shouldn't add to the chain of false information pnwmom Aug 2013 #32
Like I said, contact the ACLU. You seem confused about the various operations Catherina Aug 2013 #33
Nothing you cited says it was more than dozens. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #34
WTF?! bunnies Aug 2013 #6
Out of 5,000 people who had downloaded child porn, "dozens" turned out to be security people. pnwmom Aug 2013 #7
phew. ok. bunnies Aug 2013 #10
The ACLU person who sent the original twitter obviously didn't either. pnwmom Aug 2013 #11
Good heavens. Triana Aug 2013 #9
Can Your Data Be Safe When The Watchers Partake Of Child Pornography cantbeserious Aug 2013 #13
Certainly not if the data consists of child pornography. pnwmom Aug 2013 #15
USA! USA! USA! :sarcasm: in case it's needed - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #16
Another problem is that porn sites East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #18
Presumably the dozens of "watchers" (not 5,000) were watching from home computers, pnwmom Aug 2013 #19
The OP says it was done on work computers as well. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #21
You're right. Thank you for pointing that out. I was fixated on the words pnwmom Aug 2013 #22
Evil goes without saying. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #24
I used to be sysadmin on defense contractor networks. bemildred Aug 2013 #25
Besides the repulsive, evil creepiness of child pornography, tblue37 Aug 2013 #26
You cannot privatize national security malaise Aug 2013 #27
Exactly, but they have. And there's big money in the 'security' business. And I think that is the sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #30
Very well said malaise Aug 2013 #35
I support your view marions ghost Aug 2013 #41
Yeah following the 'disaster capitalism' model of governing Rex Aug 2013 #37
I know malaise Aug 2013 #38
Au contraire, mon ami. WinkyDink Aug 2013 #40
You may want to edit thread title for clarity TransitJohn Aug 2013 #39
"suspects also put the Defense Department "at risk of blackmail, bribery, and threats," Zorra Aug 2013 #42
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