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In reply to the discussion: Glenn Greenwald's Article On NSA Snooping Actually Snooped On Everyone Who Clicked [View all]KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)...is a real ongoing problem for too many Americans. The supposed NSA surveillance is far less evasive...I'm still looking for a case where someone has been dragged out of their house or been tossed into some gulag due to an intercepted call directed through the NSA. When that happens then we have a real problem. What I'm refering to isn't theoretical, it's very real and very ignored in all this paranoia about the government having access to phone calls...the same list that your phone company can and do sell to third parties. If the government really wants to pry into your life, they do so every year and you are required to provide the information...it's called filing taxes. They have access to your annual income and investments and who gives you that money. If a totalitarian state is gonna go after someone, following the money is a hell of a lot easier than tracing phone calls.
That said...I can cite tons of damage that is done by corporates who misuse metadata and other private information. I'm also for a Church-type investigation into the NSA and other intelligence operations. As a child of the 60s and 70s, I learned that anything that's said on a phone, written in a letter or now sent via electronic transmission (fax and internet) can be intercepted. I want more facts...not hypotheticals...and if there have been abuses and laws have been broken, those involved need to be prosecuted. Until then color me skeptical of all the charges that our government has turned into the stasi...
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