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Warren DeMontague

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153. I don't find assertions that the Constitution is being shat on in the name of the drug war

Reply to Whisp (Reply #152)

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 09:23 PM

Aug 2013

all that terribly hard to believe, frankly.

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Glenn Greenwald's Article On NSA Snooping Actually Snooped On Everyone Who Clicked [View all] Whisp Aug 2013 OP

Just as I remain skeptical of anything Greenwald says... randome Aug 2013 #1

It would be up to the Guardian, not to Greenwald. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #135

Yeah, that sounds more likely. randome Aug 2013 #154

My head just exploded. AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #2

Lol! But that's different! BenzoDia Aug 2013 #3

Only in that corporations can't use the evidence they gather against you in a court of law. TalkingDog Aug 2013 #44

Not unless those corporations want to sue you civilly, of course. MrScorpio Aug 2013 #120

Point taken. And as I suggested in the body of my post: I don't view them as different n/t TalkingDog Aug 2013 #158

Let's seen. At even one penny per reader.... NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #4

I'm not going to say Greenwald's reporting is completely about money sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #32

I thought most corporate websites did this. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #5

Yes abelenkpe Aug 2013 #6

isn't that surveillance as well? Whisp Aug 2013 #7

Yep, the potential for abuse is there. BenzoDia Aug 2013 #11

It's a type of surveillance. Me reading your posts is a type of surveillance too. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #15

Can the Guardian arrest you? nt Union Scribe Aug 2013 #28

Wait till the Guardian has Drone Capabilities, ya better watch yourself. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #36

They Can Send You To Economic Hell... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #49

"BOTH need to be investigated" Union Scribe Aug 2013 #61

Very true. That would be a horrible experience. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #140

Private Corporate Invasion... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #146

No, but the information garnered on you by corporations can prevent you from getting a job, KittyWampus Aug 2013 #130

Ask Sergey Aleynikov or Peter Adekeye. joshcryer Aug 2013 #174

Are you aware that virtually every commercial Internet site uses tracking cookies? This one, too leveymg Aug 2013 #131

You hit the nail on the head. go west young man Aug 2013 #134

Bob Cesca is a source of disinformation. leveymg Aug 2013 #143

Laws that protect the privacy of all legal activity on the web would be great. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #138

Basically almost everyone does this (blogs, forums, etc) NoOneMan Aug 2013 #81

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #8

whatsamatta you? something got in your craw? Whisp Aug 2013 #10

Yes...THAT'S metadata...and how it works... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #9

Did you check the source of that article Aerows Aug 2013 #12

That post is a statement by WaPo editors about its site being hacked. ProSense Aug 2013 #48

I'll sit back and wait Aerows Aug 2013 #56

Download Ghostery and check it yourself. MineralMan Aug 2013 #70

Ghostery is blocking 20 on this Business Insider article ... too funny ... n/t RKP5637 Aug 2013 #133

Bob Cesca also reported in the Daily Banter about how the NSA is making pnwmom Aug 2013 #74

So you're blaming Greenwald for what the Guardian does. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #13

Something taken from a site Aerows Aug 2013 #21

just funny as all hell is what it is... Whisp Aug 2013 #25

the "Snoopery" AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #102

this one is narcisstic enough for GG... Whisp Aug 2013 #106

Did the person who blew the whistle on Ghostery get his passport pulled? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #14

More like the source was Aerows Aug 2013 #18

Now that my dear friend Whisp arely staircase Aug 2013 #16

Indeed it is Aerows Aug 2013 #19

Bob Cesca is a much better source than Greenwald. nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #20

The Onion Aerows Aug 2013 #22

Never heard of the Daily Evangelical nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #24

Of course not Aerows Aug 2013 #26

Did you read the Daily Banter article? bunnies Aug 2013 #31

I did Aerows Aug 2013 #38

Im not saying it should be taken as gospel... bunnies Aug 2013 #50

The article certainly isn't Aerows Aug 2013 #54

Of course I think those things are different... bunnies Aug 2013 #59

When you post on a site Aerows Aug 2013 #67

I agree with what youre saying. bunnies Aug 2013 #73

Those Facebook buttons track you whether you click on them or not. arcane1 Aug 2013 #76

Good luck to them Aerows Aug 2013 #80

Cesca has kept his head while so many are losing theirs... Whisp Aug 2013 #33

You are free to take that site 100% seriously Aerows Aug 2013 #35

That is a matter of opinion, isn't it? nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #100

Only if you are Alanis Morrisette. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #167

i heard Greenwald likes Matt Damon movies Enrique Aug 2013 #17

I thought it was Sean Connery - To Russia With Lurve.... n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #23

I hear greenwald fans like insipid deflection. Cha Aug 2013 #71

That all ya got, Cha? Th1onein Aug 2013 #110

The Daily Banter? LittleBlue Aug 2013 #27

Heres the article BI took the snip from... bunnies Aug 2013 #30

Judge for yourself. Aerows Aug 2013 #34

Why is it OK for private companies to snoop Whisp Aug 2013 #29

Because corporations can't put your ass in jail, or send swat teams over, or share your info with Th1onein Aug 2013 #40

I think they live in smilie-land grasswire Aug 2013 #47

Then tell me who has been Swatted and jailed as a result of NSA spying. Whisp Aug 2013 #51

You won't get any Aerows Aug 2013 #58

There doesn't "got to be" anything. THAT is secret, too! Or have you never heard of the SOD Th1onein Aug 2013 #63

everything is not okay. Whisp Aug 2013 #75

I'm sorry but you are dead ass wrong. Th1onein Aug 2013 #91

save your pity for the suckers who give GG money. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #94

I doubt it has a thing to do with GG, but you already know that, don't you? Th1onein Aug 2013 #95

well, when I got to choose between door #1 and door #2... Whisp Aug 2013 #97

So sad......When you can't win an argument because the FACTS are not on your side... Th1onein Aug 2013 #104

I like ad hominem grits, got lots of good fibre. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #109

And now, nonsense. Th1onein Aug 2013 #115

You have to understand Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #127

yes it has, because each one that the GOP and media feed to, ahem, certain people Whisp Aug 2013 #148

I'm sorry. So you're saying you have no problem with the DEA committing perjury in court? Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #149

I have a big problem with believing anything someone on the internet just spouts out Whisp Aug 2013 #150

"someone on the internet" - you mean, like reuters? Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #151

I actually meant what you typed in your previous post... Whisp Aug 2013 #152

I don't find assertions that the Constitution is being shat on in the name of the drug war Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #153

Pot kettle and all that. FFS. n/t JTFrog Aug 2013 #177

The Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT. bananas Aug 2013 #178

I didn't see this until now, bananas. Thanks for posting it. Th1onein Aug 2013 #179

So the NSA spying has never led to a single arrest? Union Scribe Aug 2013 #65

no, some are saying that the NSA spies on everyone, all the time. Whisp Aug 2013 #88

Except the normal procedure in a "crime" (read: Granny has a pot plant in her closet) Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #103

You missed the part about the DEA constructing "parallel evidence trails" (read: lying in court) Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #69

He didn't miss it. He ignored it. Because it didn't fit the talking points. Th1onein Aug 2013 #96

But aside from the drug users incarcerated based upon phony evidence trails, Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #98

Well, if the breach of your, mine, and everyone else's Fourth Amendment rights mean nothing..... Th1onein Aug 2013 #101

See! You can't prove it! Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #105

ROFLMAO! Th1onein Aug 2013 #107

your question is naive or duplicitous on so many levels nt grasswire Aug 2013 #41

Because the government works for corporations n/t arcane1 Aug 2013 #53

Lets start with it isn't ok. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #55

I have the feeling you'll be a long time waiting on that answer. neverforget Aug 2013 #170

Doesn't DU do this too? grasswire Aug 2013 #37

I'm pretty sure Aerows Aug 2013 #43

The only thing Ghostery detects on DU is Google Analytics. MineralMan Aug 2013 #60

Also Google Adsense DJ13 Aug 2013 #78

Not if you have a star membership. MineralMan Aug 2013 #86

Ghostery only shows 15 trackers now Progressive dog Aug 2013 #39

I got the same results. arcane1 Aug 2013 #46

Answer your own question Aerows Aug 2013 #52

They are there, they are real, they are trackers. Progressive dog Aug 2013 #82

this crap has been going on for thousands of years olddots Aug 2013 #42

I'm using Ghostery with Firefox, but it only counted 15 blocked items for me arcane1 Aug 2013 #45

Oh my...I am so scared of the UK Guardian! What will those Brits do to me? dkf Aug 2013 #57

They are using AJAX Aerows Aug 2013 #62

Thank goodness I don't know what you are speaking of or I may be alarmed. dkf Aug 2013 #83

Maybe some Snowden at the Guardian wants to come clean... gulliver Aug 2013 #64

So The Guardian embedded tracking bugs in a Greenwald article and you rhett o rick Aug 2013 #66

IT IS AMAZING, isn't it? How FAR they will reach, to try to justify our government spying on us! Th1onein Aug 2013 #72

I am compiling a list of arguments used by the non-anti-authoritarians to justify taking rhett o rick Aug 2013 #79

I think they're airing out a new one, too: WE just don't understand how the internet works. Th1onein Aug 2013 #93

I think it's more like, The Guardian spys, everyone spys, so dont pay attention to NSA/Booz-Allen rhett o rick Aug 2013 #124

If GG cared, he would only publish to a Word document on his computer NoOneMan Aug 2013 #84

I'll send him a chisel and a slab of rock. Whisp Aug 2013 #89

But the anthropologists! Theyll spy on him rendering him a hypocrite (fallacy: Ad Hominem Tu Quoque) NoOneMan Aug 2013 #108

Is this chiseled or painted, I can't tell... Whisp Aug 2013 #111

I see the best of all possible worlds NoOneMan Aug 2013 #139

ZOMG! Because a cookie is the EXACT SAME THING as the DEA using NSA spy data to prosecute drug use! Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #68

BINGO! populistdriven Aug 2013 #141

Same with DU NoOneMan Aug 2013 #77

This is why no one takes you apologists seriously anymore. Marr Aug 2013 #85

you're not so constructive criticisms are not so becoming either Whisp Aug 2013 #92

NOBODY is trashing this administration. Th1onein Aug 2013 #112

This is a deceitful piece of bullshit you're pushing here. Marr Aug 2013 #114

woah. hold on there, don't bust a gasket... Whisp Aug 2013 #117

I've noticed you can never defend the positions you take. /nt Marr Aug 2013 #119

No, but he can stage a personal attack against you, implying that you're on edge. Th1onein Aug 2013 #121

yeah, the Guardian allows a lot of crap on their website Warpy Aug 2013 #87

Of course, he did. Wonder if the irony flew over Cha Aug 2013 #90

Ha. Web marketing companies do a lot of this nonsense - and you thought only the NSA sucked geckosfeet Aug 2013 #99

The Guardian is NOT MY GOVERNMENT 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #113

Absolutely, 99th_Monkey. Th1onein Aug 2013 #126

of course not, it's in London. Whisp Aug 2013 #176

And this is the meat of the whole issue. Time for some folks to hit the BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #116

Today's talking points are in: Glenn Greenwald is a hypocrite due to the actions of the Guardian.... xocet Aug 2013 #118

Oh, for crying out loud matt819 Aug 2013 #122

if you are getting tired, take a nice little nappy. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #123

And there you have it, folks. Th1onein Aug 2013 #125

You wasted your keystrokes on this brilliant reply? (nt) matt819 Aug 2013 #144

He has nothing else. He lost the argument and is now just treading water. Th1onein Aug 2013 #145

Leave the DEA alone!!!! Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #128

It's irony, ha ha ha ha Kolesar Aug 2013 #129

They've been proved wrong about the lies and abuses... last1standing Aug 2013 #161

Uh oh Phlem Aug 2013 #132

Editorial needs to have a chat with marketing Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #136

And Business Insider has 20 bugs blocked... if I disable Ghostery, there are probably close to 60... ReverendDeuce Aug 2013 #137

Tracking cookies are not what we are concerned about. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #142

I refused to click on his article from the beginning.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #147

This would mean more if there was a comparison Babel_17 Aug 2013 #155

Bob Cesca......LOL. n/t morningfog Aug 2013 #156

Glenn Greenwad..... LOLzer. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #157

Does the Guardian have a Constitution that makes it's snooping illegal? last1standing Aug 2013 #159

BEWARE: They are an advertising technology company that collects & sells your data drventure Aug 2013 #160

So does every website you go to, so according to your logic... Corruption Inc Aug 2013 #162

why isn't he having shitfits about corporate spying? Whisp Aug 2013 #163

Because corporations are not the government. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #166

BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT HE IS REPORTING ON! AND ITS NOT THE ISSUE! Th1onein Aug 2013 #173

can you say that again, I didnt hear you... Whisp Aug 2013 #175

I'm sorry, Whisp. Didn't mean to yell. Th1onein Aug 2013 #180

That's okay, I know I've done that once in a while. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #182

TOO MUCH COFFEE! Th1onein Aug 2013 #183

NOT ENOUGH BEER! Whisp Aug 2013 #184

Really? THIS OP is what you have been reduced to? RetroLounge Aug 2013 #164

I know-- arguing that a website cookie is at all comparable to NSA spying... Marr Aug 2013 #171

When The Guardian can put me in jail, I might care. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #165

I hope NSA likes the same kind of Gay Porn I do. donheld Aug 2013 #168

Oh, good god... Hissyspit Aug 2013 #169

Firefox browser to move ahead with �Do Not Track� option ProSense Aug 2013 #172

That websites use cookies is as far as Bob Cesca will ever get to a bombshell story David Krout Aug 2013 #181

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #185

Customers who will believe anything are a premium. gulliver Aug 2013 #186