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struggle4progress

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4. I admire them all but regard their support for Manning as a surrogate for other issues
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:41 AM
Aug 2013

War stinks; militarism stinks; the history of the Iraq war stinks; the thoughtless use of the US military to bully other countries stinks; the size of the US military stinks

Many of us will agree with all that, and more -- but we didn't learn it from Bradley Manning

Manning released about 750K documents, a handful of which might have produced important stories. In trying to assess the damage, one team spent about 850 hours examining 2K of these documents, which works out to about 25 minutes per document. If Manning had spent a tiny fraction of that time -- say, a minute per document -- reading what he was releasing, twelve hours a day, seven days a week, it would have taken him about three years to read them all. But he was in Iraq only about 7 months before being arrested. The only conclusion is he dumped most of the documents indiscriminately without knowing what was in them -- which explains why he's never said much about the thousands and thousands of important narratives he's alleged to have exposed. And it's unlikely that any of of his supporters have read many of the documents, either. Moreover, unfortunately, Manning released the documents to Assange, a person who has repeatedly in various contexts shown substantial callousness about the potential effects of his releases on other people and indifference to possible resulting loss of life

There are many reasons various people might understandably enjoy seeing American get a good smeck in the schnozz, but the effects of this don't seem particularly salutary to me, with regard to domestic politics. Manning's releases are probably the reason a 2010 whistle-blower bill suddenly died in Congress, when everyone had expected it to pass; and the next time something like that looked like it might move, Snowden popped up. By greatly complicating President Obama's efforts at diplomacy, for example, the long-term effects of Manning (and later Snowden) will simply be to strengthen the rightwing's hand in American politics -- and they're the bastards who gave us all this crap in the first place





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And for the folks that haven't heard... Tx4obama Aug 2013 #1
OMG you are right! Tutu is an idiot! ROFL ROFL ROFL. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #2
Assange: "The only hope, as far as electoral politics are concerned in the United States, presently, struggle4progress Aug 2013 #5
And? Why should I care about his politics? nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #34
Poster, to whom I responded, misrepresented Assange's views expressed in article struggle4progress Aug 2013 #38
We have known he favored libertarians since he first released information. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #39
FUCKIN WOW!! I just lost all respect for Assange...thx for this, the whole SnowGlen shit is looking uponit7771 Aug 2013 #10
"I just lost all respect for Assange..." Union Scribe Aug 2013 #20
I can only have respect via anonymous post on a forum uponit7771 Aug 2013 #28
So, sadly, no is the answer? nt Union Scribe Aug 2013 #29
It was a question not a statement....still would like to know an answer from you uponit7771 Aug 2013 #41
Are you in the wrong thread? Tutu salutes Bradley Manning is the topic. So do I. How about you? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #22
Thank Manning... August 18th letter writing campaign. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #3
I think all Manning's "supporters" should commit, for the next twenty years, struggle4progress Aug 2013 #6
This is a GD thread about a statement by Desmond Tutu. It is not a Meta thread about how others Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #13
They can't respond to you on that point. It would require them to admit they are wrong. stevenleser Aug 2013 #25
I've read possibly thousands of them. And the information in them is stunning. In fact sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #26
There are several peoples' diaries that have been made into books. Those are fascinating too. stevenleser Aug 2013 #30
I didn't find them exciting, I found most of what I read to be extremely disturbing. I generally sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #31
I don't put much stock in the impressions of diplomats that they send back to Foggy Bottom. stevenleser Aug 2013 #32
War logs, cables, war crimes on video. Support for Dictators and the cynical reasons why. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #33
Nice! Rex Aug 2013 #36
Nope, I've read plenty of them. I never confuse a memo with reality, I require verification. stevenleser Aug 2013 #44
Well if you read them, perhaps you can explain why we are still supporting Karamov of Uzbekistan sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #49
Well, if you read them, can you explain why it was necessary for us to know the eating habits of stevenleser Aug 2013 #50
Can you answer my question, or did you only read the fluff which I mostly ignored and searched for sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #53
+100 nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #35
I admire them all but regard their support for Manning as a surrogate for other issues struggle4progress Aug 2013 #4
I cannot agree. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #11
Really? Is it better to have military secrets like how to make advanced weapons like nukes public? stevenleser Aug 2013 #15
Way to distort. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #16
It's not a distortion, it's the exact point. No, it's not always better. And the moment you stevenleser Aug 2013 #17
Well that's a new one, anyway. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #23
And if you knew anything aqbout Manning you would know that he carefully chose what to release sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #37
No, he didn't. He did not read through 700,000 diplomatic cables. PLUS he apologized for hurting stevenleser Aug 2013 #45
His 'apology' meaningless. People who have been tortured and persecuted are understandably sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #46
That's what defense attorneys are for. If his apology was B.S., his attorney could have told us that stevenleser Aug 2013 #48
Well, that is my point. Defense attorneys have a duty to try to get the best deal for their clients sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #52
I think I agree with everything you wrote. Very well said. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #19
Most of them relate to the Bush era. Do you think Bush's crimes should protected from exposure? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #27
You know, Quantess Aug 2013 #7
Who attacked Tutu? nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #21
Post #1 was knee jerk snark against Tutu Quantess Aug 2013 #42
Tutu wasn't mentioned or referred to in that post. In fact it was a pretty OT comment. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #43
Why wasn't he mentioned?? That is the topic of this OP. And that is the problem with sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #47
You will have to take that up with the person who made the comment. I flunked out of mind reading nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #51
You don't have to be a mind reader. Some things are just obvious. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #54
If Manning wins the Nobel Peace Prize..... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #8
not a chance of that happening struggle4progress Aug 2013 #40
! blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #9
Desmond Tutu is a great man. I notice much snark toward him along with the off topic comments Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #12
YEP. Rex Aug 2013 #18
No one snarked at Tutu under this OP. Is there another OP you are talking about? nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #24
K & R Quantess Aug 2013 #14
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