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BzaDem

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24. You seem to be basing your rationale on the fact that he raised so much last time.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 05:55 PM
Feb 2012

But what if what he raised last time is clearly insufficient to win the Presidency in the post Citizens United world?

Newt Gingrich's biggest donor said that he might give 100 million. And this is just among the people that disclose this. Given the lack of good disclosure laws and lack of enforcement of existing disclosure laws, we could have some people give hundreds of millions to the Republican without blinking an eye. A few people could easily match the Obama's 2008 total.

Let's assume this is true; that what is required to even compete (let alone win) is far more than Obama (or any Democrat) could raise without Super-pacs.

Would you then be as concerned?

You say you are concerned about the logic that one must use the system to overturn the system. But what if that is literally, objectively true? Citizens United is not going anywhere until Democrats get a majority on the Supreme Court, and that isn't going to happen without Democrats winning the Presidency.

This is a classic case of a zero sum situation, where allowing only one side to break the rules would be massively unfair. Another might be self-defense; one could despise violence and yet realize violence might be necessary if you are being attacked.

In general, we have

Correct rule > no rule > selectively applied rule.

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You don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Swede Feb 2012 #1
I don't think Obama likes them either. But it is a necessary evil. He can't compete southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #4
I am trying to work on him. Oh we voted in 2010 unfortunately PA got Corbertt. I just Justice wanted Feb 2012 #6
Oh Justice I'm with you on getting worse. It will no doubt about it. But it may work southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #7
Sad...but true joeglow3 Feb 2012 #10
Haven't you ever heard of trinkle down. Yep we'll get the crumbs if we are lucky. It is southernyankeebelle Feb 2012 #26
Darn. You bet me to it. n/t wandy Feb 2012 #11
I wonder what the odds were on this exact line being the first response? MrCoffee Feb 2012 #21
if the other side has a gazillion dollars coming in and you have a half a gazillion, you lose. spanone Feb 2012 #2
You have to sell out to become president and now it is much worse than before. mucifer Feb 2012 #3
The answer to your question is contained in your post. Big Blue Marble Feb 2012 #5
This wasn't an issue in 2008. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #8
His opposition to Citizens United is not contrary to acquiescing to the notion of a fair fight. AtomicKitten Feb 2012 #9
The repubs will use them. Do you want Obama in the battle with 1 arm tied behind back? librechik Feb 2012 #12
There were NO "super PACs" in 2008. TheWraith Feb 2012 #13
"You got to get in to get out..." Peter Gabriel/Genesis Ship of Fools Feb 2012 #14
I honestly don't want to cause trouble I want to understand this decision because the idea Justice wanted Feb 2012 #15
Sorry- I wasn't aiming my thoughts at you ... Ship of Fools Feb 2012 #18
I do see the reasoning behind having to do it this election. Justice wanted Feb 2012 #16
Can't bring a knife to a gun fight? Thrill Feb 2012 #17
What concerns me is... SomethingFishy Feb 2012 #19
That is a huge concern of mine as well. Is it because they honestly believe this will end Justice wanted Feb 2012 #20
"They do it, so we do it" is a piss poor excuse for corruption. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #22
true, but so is DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #23
Taking payoffs from the corporations prevents people from getting killed? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #25
If you mean forming super pacs, it does DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #28
The "corporate masters" remain the masters no matter who they pay off. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #29
You seem to be basing your rationale on the fact that he raised so much last time. BzaDem Feb 2012 #24
That is well and good but the interests of wealth and corporations will always have TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #32
Just another politician being bought and sold on the open market, MadHound Feb 2012 #27
He is running to stop rick Santorum BrentWil Feb 2012 #30
IF bluestate10 Feb 2012 #31
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