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Hissyspit

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Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:52 PM Aug 2013

Glenn Greenwald: "Detaining My Partner: A Failed Attempt at Intimidation" [View all]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/18/david-miranda-detained-uk-nsa

Sunday 18 August 2013 14.44 EDT

Detaining my partner: a failed attempt at intimidation

The detention of my partner, David Miranda, by UK authorities will have the opposite effect of the one intended


Glenn Greenwald

At 6:30 am this morning my time - 5:30 am on the East Coast of the US - I received a telephone call from someone who identified himself as a "security official at Heathrow airport." He told me that my partner, David Miranda, had been "detained" at the London airport "under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act of 2000."

- snip -

I immediately contacted the Guardian, which sent lawyers to the airport, as well various Brazilian officials I know. Within the hour, several senior Brazilian officials were engaged and expressing indignation over what was being done. The Guardian has the full story here.

Despite all that, five more hours went by and neither the Guardian's lawyers nor Brazilian officials, including the Ambassador to the UK in London, were able to obtain any information about David. We spent most of that time contemplating the charges he would likely face once the 9-hour period elapsed.

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The stated purpose of this law, as the name suggests, is to question people about terrorism. The detention power, claims the UK government, is used "to determine whether that person is or has been involved in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism."

- snip -

Worse, they kept David detained right up until the last minute: for the full 9 hours, something they very rarely do. Only at the last minute did they finally release him. We spent all day - as every hour passed - worried that he would be arrested and charged under a terrorism statute. This was obviously designed to send a message of intimidation to those of us working journalistically on reporting on the NSA and its British counterpart, the GCHQ.

Before letting him go, they seized numerous possessions of his, including his laptop, his cellphone, various video game consuls, DVDs, USB sticks, and other materials. They did not say when they would return any of it, or if they would.

This is obviously a rather profound escalation of their attacks on the news-gathering process and journalism. It's bad enough to prosecute and imprison sources. It's worse still to imprison journalists who report the truth. But to start detaining the family members and loved ones of journalists is simply despotic. Even the Mafia had ethical rules against targeting the family members of people they feel threatened by. But the UK puppets and their owners in the US national security state obviously are unconstrained by even those minimal scruples.

If the UK and US governments believe that tactics like this are going to deter or intimidate us in any way from continuing to report aggressively on what these documents reveal, they are beyond deluded. If anything, it will have only the opposite effect: to embolden us even further. Beyond that, every time the US and UK governments show their true character to the world - when they prevent the Bolivian President's plane from flying safely home, when they threaten journalists with prosecution, when they engage in behavior like what they did today - all they do is helpfully underscore why it's so dangerous to allow them to exercise vast, unchecked spying power in the dark.

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I think this is just plain intimidation. Autumn Aug 2013 #1
More than intimidation. They confiscated all his research data. That is theft. geckosfeet Aug 2013 #8
Intimidation, theft, thuggery. That's the New World Order. Who's next on their list? chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #52
Murder. It's a logical progression Demeter Aug 2013 #127
They've been there and done that before fujiyama Aug 2013 #259
I think they can stop the truth. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #169
Maybe they thought he feared "outing", to the extent he was outed. I, for one, did not know that silvershadow Aug 2013 #332
I would hope someone on the "intelligence" agency that decided to Autumn Aug 2013 #335
K&R MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #2
K&R pscot Aug 2013 #3
K&R! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2013 #4
how convenient. Whisp Aug 2013 #5
dizzy yet? GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #6
One day you may come to understand why you can't be taken as a serious person DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #7
Hint: on EVERY story like this, it is best to not jump into 'See? I told you!' mode. randome Aug 2013 #11
The Guardian sent one of its own lawyers... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #37
didn't they botch up the first breaking story that GG gave them in some way? Whisp Aug 2013 #229
You're asking me to verify... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #240
oh, sorry, I must have mistaken you with someone who cared. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #244
Nah, you just tried to make a point... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #247
You should read and follow your advice. morningfog Aug 2013 #44
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #67
I have no tune to change. I go where the facts warrant. randome Aug 2013 #70
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #92
'Abusing their authority'? randome Aug 2013 #100
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #106
"It's very easy to cause cascading events because of a keying error." MyNameGoesHere Aug 2013 #149
Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #200
Oh please... cui bono Aug 2013 #228
I am saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #236
Oh, right... it's all about Obama. cui bono Aug 2013 #238
What are you talking about? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #242
You said 4 1/2 years ago... cui bono Aug 2013 #245
And that is what this place has become ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #299
Yes, again with the 4 1/2 years ago. What happened then? cui bono Aug 2013 #337
I told you ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #348
Okay, what Dems attacking which Dems? cui bono Aug 2013 #353
Well, now you can go ahead and comment as we have confirmation from several extremely sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #269
I note that he didn't answer your post...hmmm U4ikLefty Aug 2013 #336
No, your previous post is a poorly disguised dismissal of the OP. cui bono Aug 2013 #227
"I don't care about being right." That's obvious. morningfog Aug 2013 #271
You definitely don't care about being right. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #315
Right, this never happened. To someone's partner who is a Public Figure now thanks to the sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #107
There is no doubt that Mr. Miranda was detained cali Aug 2013 #108
This story is confirmed by several sources LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #285
I will wait a couple days. You should too. Whisp Aug 2013 #12
Watch for Greenwald's updates... SidDithers Aug 2013 #14
yeh, he's just throwing bait out. Whisp Aug 2013 #16
If a government detained your spouse or your child Aerows Aug 2013 #24
I would never be in a position that Greenwald put himself in. Whisp Aug 2013 #30
I'm not bringing "your child" up Aerows Aug 2013 #39
The U.S. State Dept criticizes China for detaining family members of journalists. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #61
The US didnt detain him Egnever Aug 2013 #76
I never said they did. But don't let that stop you from having Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #88
So you doubt this happened as described, but if it did, Greenwald brought it on himself? deurbano Aug 2013 #157
Just a rerun of a couple facts here: Whisp Aug 2013 #161
You weren't in hurry to fact-check this: Hissyspit Aug 2013 #176
what? Whisp Aug 2013 #181
Read through the thread. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #183
that was how long ago? and you still stay up at night over it? Whisp Aug 2013 #188
You are disingenuous and a poor propagandist,. hold out for the truth as long as you want,. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #234
Well, you're not a journalist, so of course you wouldn't be. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #171
whisp is Canadian? nt grasswire Aug 2013 #34
yes, I am. Whisp Aug 2013 #45
I just find it curious. grasswire Aug 2013 #63
I have seen people from all around the world here. Whisp Aug 2013 #119
People generally have a stake in things JimDandy Aug 2013 #135
really now. you think I'm arranging an invasion from Canada? Whisp Aug 2013 #147
Wow. NEVER said anything about an invasion JimDandy Aug 2013 #152
You have every right to be here. Puglover Aug 2013 #235
Well said. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #279
Excellent point n/t Peregrine Took Aug 2013 #196
The whole world has a stake in American policies, so we do comment LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #284
I am also a dual (British)-Canadian citizen with relatively little knowledge of the politics LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #286
They'd rather hear about how much snowden loves Russia.. Cha Aug 2013 #153
omg. that's true! Russia = GooOOOOOd, Canada = Where Whisp lives! must be baaaaaD..... Whisp Aug 2013 #155
I'm a furiner in the teabagger sense of the word since Pres Obama Cha Aug 2013 #160
This US citizen loves Canada. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #172
I wouldn't think it was about me treestar Aug 2013 #262
Waiting and seeing would be just fine. Obviously, that's not what you chose to do. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #18
everything is a conpiracy theory here these days. Whisp Aug 2013 #22
You are of course welcome to hold that opinion DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #28
+ 1000. Darn you beat me to it! n/t JimDandy Aug 2013 #87
I am making my own conclusions as to the veracity of Greenwalds story Whisp Aug 2013 #148
You know... Hissyspit Aug 2013 #180
he does take donations, it's right there in one of his Guardian pieces Whisp Aug 2013 #184
Wow, what a scam. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #186
It's an interesting way for 'journalists' to be paid, don't you think? Whisp Aug 2013 #189
So he's asking for donations Hissyspit Aug 2013 #193
I am assuming his donation list is private. Whisp Aug 2013 #201
"Making my own conclusions" is the direct opposite of "waiting a couple of days" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #191
I am taking fun guesses now and will see whats what in a couple days... Whisp Aug 2013 #204
Because you are making a series of hilariously stupid posts? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #211
Do you believe that the UK government did not detain David Miranda? Aerows Aug 2013 #29
I will wait to hear more. I will not take Greenwald's word on anything Whisp Aug 2013 #33
Whose word would you take? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #75
jesus cripes get off that ledge. detainment camps? machine guns? Whisp Aug 2013 #112
Perhaps I just have more experience and more knowledge of history and can read the early JDPriestly Aug 2013 #125
Perhaps. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #129
UK's puppet government detains his partner... ocpagu Aug 2013 #142
^ Exactly. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #115
We all know how this works quakerboy Aug 2013 #98
how very productive Swagman Aug 2013 #162
+1 you got it treestar Aug 2013 #263
Your guarantee is worthless tazkcmo Aug 2013 #352
no kidding fascisthunter Aug 2013 #177
Now hush.... don't bring thoughts whistler162 Aug 2013 #15
Flamingdem is that you? Aerows Aug 2013 #19
Oh my God. This is just embarassing. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #21
I know! I'm not sure if you are a fan of GGs but if you are, you should Whisp Aug 2013 #26
Well that didn't take long... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #32
But don't call them Authoritarians! Maedhros Aug 2013 #325
Maybe this, maybe that: Hissyspit Aug 2013 #35
now why would GG have that privilege of making shit up Whisp Aug 2013 #41
I thought you were waiting for the facts? Hissyspit Aug 2013 #48
yeh, i'm pretty sure David didn't really do the chicken thing at the airport... Whisp Aug 2013 #51
The Guardian website tracks cookies. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #60
awww, cookies. I bet they are sweet. I mean how can a cookie be bad? Whisp Aug 2013 #116
It's an amazingly silly, ridiculous diversion attempt. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #173
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It's called hypocrisy, dear. cali Aug 2013 #110
so you think I really really thought that David made chicken noises at the airport... Whisp Aug 2013 #132
noted fascisthunter Aug 2013 #178
Whoosh...... Fuddnik Aug 2013 #53
Please employ some critical thinking here. cali Aug 2013 #105
+1000 CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #166
"Glennie" has real balls, something the POTUS lacks despite having had many opportunities to show plug3 Aug 2013 #207
Good attempt at creating yet another CT. Any thoughts on game consoles and USB drives? idwiyo Aug 2013 #254
why did the poor sot think he'd could just trapse around with stolen government documents? Whisp Aug 2013 #255
Why, according to another CT it's because they are plotting to install Libertarian Overlords idwiyo Aug 2013 #267
Ah, it's a plot! AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #278
What? This is one of the most bizarre conspiracy theories I've ever seen LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #280
Your posts "For all we know" are showing a desperation. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #304
These confiscations are problematic dickthegrouch Aug 2013 #9
Under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act of 2000 officers are permitted to confiscate Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #10
When they get it back.. if functional, it will be loaded with spyware and firmware. nt TheBlackAdder Aug 2013 #71
Well that would be very informative JimDandy Aug 2013 #117
All of the electronics are likely tampered with and therefore should be discarded. n/t NOVA_Dem Aug 2013 #23
hell, evidence could be planted somewhere grasswire Aug 2013 #42
Parallel construction OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #156
yikes grasswire Aug 2013 #174
K&R liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #13
I really don't like this guy - damn libertarian - HOWEVER Triana Aug 2013 #17
He's not a Libertarian octoberlib Aug 2013 #179
Tx for the info! Triana Aug 2013 #256
Well, that's his side of things anyway. He's got the articles to back him up. octoberlib Aug 2013 #261
+1 Little Star Aug 2013 #260
Calling Greenwald a "Libertarian" just makes you look bad. Maedhros Aug 2013 #327
Detaining and threatening his partner Aerows Aug 2013 #20
It must be a mistake! I read on DU that this is all 'hype'! Rex Aug 2013 #31
Quite Aerows Aug 2013 #329
But perhaps a watershed moment for some? Maedhros Aug 2013 #328
Wake-up call that this isn't right and has gone too far. N/T Aerows Aug 2013 #330
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LOL This guy is a tool Egnever Aug 2013 #27
Do you have anything to say about the detention of his partner? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #38
Not at the moment I will wait for the rest of the story Egnever Aug 2013 #47
You see lots of good reasons to detain Greenwald's partner? DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #69
LOL Egnever Aug 2013 #81
Yes. ocpagu Aug 2013 #128
He wasn't arrested he was detained and questioned and released Egnever Aug 2013 #141
Miranda and his partner Greenwald are two different people, you know? grasswire Aug 2013 #308
What about relatives? Why stop at just his partner? Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #96
I would argue it would be incredibly stupid for any of them to go traipsing around the world Egnever Aug 2013 #118
It is stupid from them... ocpagu Aug 2013 #139
So now Great Britain is an authoritarian puppet government with no regard for human rights Egnever Aug 2013 #143
Yep. Pretty much that. Why? Did you fall for the official propaganda of "democracy" etc? n/t ocpagu Aug 2013 #154
I am truly amazed to see a DUer saying what you are now saying muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #195
LOL Egnever Aug 2013 #219
You are the perfect definition... ocpagu Aug 2013 #265
Hey I can play that game too Egnever Aug 2013 #266
Britain? The nation that launched a war of aggression in 2003? JackRiddler Aug 2013 #272
No, but it's not the complete opposite either LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #281
I have no problem with that statement whatsoever. Egnever Aug 2013 #288
I certainly don't think we have the most despotic government on the planet or even close... LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #290
you're not fooling anyone. nt grasswire Aug 2013 #43
I wasnt aware I was trying to fool anyone Egnever Aug 2013 #49
And any of that justifies the British government's abuse how? Hissyspit Aug 2013 #54
abuse? Egnever Aug 2013 #57
Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #58
I see so your outrage is based on the name of the law and not its contents Egnever Aug 2013 #65
No, I'm not. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #66
Ridiculous is screaming Its schedule 7 terrorism they are abusing it! Egnever Aug 2013 #72
I just read it about an hour ago. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #85
Oh you did? So why dont you point out to me where it limits itself to detaining terrorists Egnever Aug 2013 #122
"LONDON (Reuters) - British authorities used anti-terrorism powers to detain the partner of a journa Hissyspit Aug 2013 #170
I see you completely avoided the question Egnever Aug 2013 #192
Fucking garbage law. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #194
I agree the law is over broad IMHO Egnever Aug 2013 #216
They held him for 9 hours. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #94
GB is hardly a hostile country Egnever Aug 2013 #114
GB is a hostile country as is the US to many countries in the world. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #134
"We need to have the ability to look at a situation from different points of view" Egnever Aug 2013 #150
He was detained under the terrorism laws. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #190
Sorry but I dissagree Egnever Aug 2013 #210
How do you prove the chilling effect? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #289
A difficult question Egnever Aug 2013 #292
I agree with you. But what you consider sensationalizing, I consider to be raising awareness. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #293
Fair enough Egnever Aug 2013 #294
It'll be "torture" before long treestar Aug 2013 #264
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Nope Egnever Aug 2013 #59
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #62
Well gee I dont know why they would detain him Egnever Aug 2013 #68
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #82
Of course you will Egnever Aug 2013 #89
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it would appear that you have already made a judgment frylock Aug 2013 #86
Yup I judge Greenwald to be an attention whore with little interest in the truth. Egnever Aug 2013 #126
oh, i have.. frylock Aug 2013 #306
Then start a thread with "an actual fact-based discussion" Union Scribe Aug 2013 #121
And no one is forcing you to read my posts in this thread Egnever Aug 2013 #136
So instead of saying what you want Union Scribe Aug 2013 #144
Says the guy whining about a post in a thread he didnt create Egnever Aug 2013 #151
I think someone else is the tool MNBrewer Aug 2013 #167
Your logic needs help. "I think there is plenty of room for actual improvement in oversight of the rhett o rick Aug 2013 #303
Two...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #36
Wait! I bet he just had a faulty fuel guage! hootinholler Aug 2013 #40
They're getting desperate trying to silence the whistle blowers. And, way too obvious. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #46
The last paragraph is absolutely correct. This kind of abuse will only emphasize how dangerous sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #50
+1 Excellent point leftstreet Aug 2013 #74
Disgusting. AzDar Aug 2013 #55
He flew in from Russia with a "laptop, his cellphone, various video game consuls, DVDs, USB sticks, ucrdem Aug 2013 #64
what business is it of the British government's? grasswire Aug 2013 #73
Bolivian? nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #165
yeh, Bolivian. He is the only surviver of that airplane Obama 'downed'.... n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #239
So? Hissyspit Aug 2013 #77
So that's a lot of electronics to be flying with internationally ucrdem Aug 2013 #93
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #120
Um no, he flew in from Berlin and yes.... Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #84
From Russia?? burnodo Aug 2013 #90
Oh my dear God, DVDs you say? Union Scribe Aug 2013 #123
In the hands of a trained "suspected terrorist", a DVD can be used to decapitate a victim! Dragonfli Aug 2013 #291
How could I have forgotten the flying death disk? Union Scribe Aug 2013 #342
So you are maintaining that the UK was justified in detaining Miranda? Or were they HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #131
I thought he flew in from Berlin. deurbano Aug 2013 #175
This is not about customs. He was in transit at the airport muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #202
It sounds like somebody rolled the dice and lost. ucrdem Aug 2013 #218
Is that 'sounds like in the real world' or 'sounds like in the world ucrdem made up'? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #222
He could have read the docs that print with the ticket, for example. ucrdem Aug 2013 #226
Hang on, you're the one still stuck in the middle 20th century muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #241
I think you're confusing yourself. nt ucrdem Aug 2013 #282
Assuming you have some integrity left, you would correct your post from Russia to Berlin. idwiyo Aug 2013 #357
American thugs and their British poodles. n/t ocpagu Aug 2013 #78
How long before they break into the embassy and grab Assange? Octafish Aug 2013 #79
V for Vendetta... Alive and well in the UK! nt TheBlackAdder Aug 2013 #80
1) David is not a journalist,& 2) it's possible/CONCEIVABLE he was a "mule" for stolen security data UTUSN Aug 2013 #83
The intimidation works both ways? Hissyspit Aug 2013 #95
What I said was what I said; what you said is what you said. n/t UTUSN Aug 2013 #101
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #124
It's interesting that the UK detained Greenwald's 'courier' JimDandy Aug 2013 #277
David Miranda detention: MP asks police for explanation muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #295
Apparently, Parliament did NOT know the Terrorist Act could be used in that way. JimDandy Aug 2013 #307
The police used to say it must only be used for counter-terrorism: muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #309
Miranda traveled to Berlin to work with Laura Poitras on a documentary. Maedhros Aug 2013 #331
kerry and his state dept looking like fucking idiots once again frylock Aug 2013 #91
What does Kerry have to do with this? ucrdem Aug 2013 #283
The UK is not a puppet of the US Progressive dog Aug 2013 #97
This is some sort of justification?? burnodo Aug 2013 #104
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #133
Tell that to British Iraq vets. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #145
I get it, all the Iraqi vets think they're US puppets Progressive dog Aug 2013 #326
Ahem. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #341
Cool, circular logic again Progressive dog Aug 2013 #343
Greenwald's response was very measured. JimDandy Aug 2013 #146
If I were he, I would either Progressive dog Aug 2013 #324
Because I couldn't have said it any better: JimDandy Aug 2013 #351
That does prove a point, the nine hour detention in the UK Progressive dog Aug 2013 #355
All real journalists use their partners to smuggle Progressive dog Aug 2013 #356
UK isn't but our dear government sure as hell is. Forgot abour Poodle? idwiyo Aug 2013 #231
Poodle? Poodle? Poodle? nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #322
Incorrect. The U.K. was, in fact, a puppet of the U.S. in this instance: JimDandy Aug 2013 #270
I'll bet the UK would like to know they're just Progressive dog Aug 2013 #321
They already know. JimDandy Aug 2013 #349
European Convention on Human Rights: ocpagu Aug 2013 #102
This was intimidation.... Swede Atlanta Aug 2013 #103
It appears you were correct! JimDandy Aug 2013 #275
The stakes rise, and the masks fall away... GliderGuider Aug 2013 #109
They wouldn't do this to a Tea Party type advocating the overthrow of the government by guns. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #111
once a gain the cheerleaders for the authoritarian state are applauding.. surprise, surprise, Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #130
We don't know the whole story yet Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #138
These tactics are absolutely disgusting and frightening. closeupready Aug 2013 #137
Totally outrageous. Bolo Boffin Aug 2013 #140
Anti-terrorism agents putting hard earned tax dollars to work. Ash_F Aug 2013 #158
This is why the govt cannot be trusted with collecting info on innocent persons. boston bean Aug 2013 #159
Several explanations come to mind Babel_17 Aug 2013 #163
Sounds like either a deliberate provocation by Miranda or he was meeting someone at Heathrow FarCenter Aug 2013 #164
So? Hissyspit Aug 2013 #182
His existence is now provocative? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #206
If Greenwald or Poitras arrived at Heathrow, they would probably be detained and arrested. FarCenter Aug 2013 #213
Since they are American, and received information from an American about the workings of the NSA muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #215
Greenwald has published information about GCHQ operations, means, and methods FarCenter Aug 2013 #221
"Greenwald's activities can be considered as aiding terrorists" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #224
What matters would be how the UK courts view Greenwald's activities. FarCenter Aug 2013 #230
Guardian reporters and editors in Britain work on the stories muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #243
Greenwald, not his partner. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #248
His partner was acting as a go between and co-conspirator with Greenwald and Poitras. FarCenter Aug 2013 #250
"co-conspirator"??? grasswire Aug 2013 #311
To have a co-conspirator... ocpagu Aug 2013 #317
Conspiring with Poitras to acquire and publish UK official secrets FarCenter Aug 2013 #320
on what charge would they be arrested? grasswire Aug 2013 #310
Publishing information about GCHQ that is protected by the Official Secrets Act FarCenter Aug 2013 #319
Luckily for people, charges can't be made up, like you just did muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #334
Section 6 FarCenter Aug 2013 #338
Nothing here applies to Mr. Miranda. Not even one of all these items. ocpagu Aug 2013 #339
They would apply to Mr Greenwald, and to Mr Miranda if he is aiding Mr Greenwald FarCenter Aug 2013 #340
A connecting flight is a "deliberate provocation"? That's pathetic. wtmusic Aug 2013 #237
Cool Conspiracy Theory! Don't forget to add little green aliens and chemtrails for a good measure! idwiyo Aug 2013 #252
Do you see what is going on here. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #168
Gov has used these tactics on journalists for a long time. Sunlei Aug 2013 #185
And the people here defending this wonder why they are called "Authoritarian Apologists?" RetroLounge Aug 2013 #187
No one is "defending" it. Arkana Aug 2013 #198
Some are just in this thread implying massive conspiracy by Greenwald Hissyspit Aug 2013 #212
I suggest you reread the thread RetroLounge Aug 2013 #268
This is why I don't post anymore wtbymark Aug 2013 #199
Glad to see you picked an important OP JimDandy Aug 2013 #273
"they spent their time interrogating him about the NSA reporting " Catherina Aug 2013 #197
Glenn Gantry "reporting" gulliver Aug 2013 #203
AP: Partner of Reporter at Center of NSA Leak Detained Hissyspit Aug 2013 #208
Reuters: UK Detains Partner of Journalist Linked to Snowden Hissyspit Aug 2013 #209
Thanks for the link. gulliver Aug 2013 #214
Yes, "completely valid." Hissyspit Aug 2013 #298
pardon me, but what crime has Greenwald committed? grasswire Aug 2013 #312
CBS News: Partner of Glenn Greenwald, the journalist who broke the NSA leak story, was detained at Hissyspit Aug 2013 #220
"Brazilian Government Expresses Grave Concern..." Hissyspit Aug 2013 #205
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #217
All that stuff they seized is pricy and so is traveling.... I hope this guy makes a good living... midnight Aug 2013 #223
The Guardian paid for his trip. FarCenter Aug 2013 #232
This is actually really sounding like a clown show for the Bleevers. Whisp Aug 2013 #246
And why would they send encrypted files on physical media via a courier? FarCenter Aug 2013 #249
I'm wondering if he had any trouble getting TO Poitras with all those gadgets... Whisp Aug 2013 #253
???? grasswire Aug 2013 #313
It does exactly that, it shows the corporate-military for what they are, tinny frightened fascists. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #225
NYT says Miranda was carrying Snowden documents to Greenwald. Catherina Aug 2013 #233
Good. That means we have them. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #251
Um... Didn't we always have them??? cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #257
No--I think what was confiscated was more than merely what he stole. msanthrope Aug 2013 #258
Im sure that was their excuse AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #276
I think so too. That sentence is totally unsourced, just sandwiched in there. Catherina Aug 2013 #287
Burgeoning POLICE STATE ... blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #274
Yeah but look at the upgrade it produced! JNelson6563 Aug 2013 #296
You know... Hissyspit Aug 2013 #297
I will bring substance when I feel like it. JNelson6563 Aug 2013 #302
"I will bring substance when I feel like it." sibelian Aug 2013 #323
Could it be because of this? shawn703 Aug 2013 #300
k&r Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #301
"Intimidation" is a bit over-the-top IMO Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #305
"One U.S. security official told Reuters that one of the main purposes of the British government's Hissyspit Aug 2013 #345
Glenn, you "journalist" come out from behind that curtain baronjake Aug 2013 #314
WTF? ocpagu Aug 2013 #316
This is very representative of the group that hates Greenwald DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #318
It's not about Greenwald obxhead Aug 2013 #344
+1 Starry Messenger Aug 2013 #354
What the fuck are you going on about? Hissyspit Aug 2013 #347
STFU Greenwald... SoapBox Aug 2013 #333
What the fuck are you going on about? Hissyspit Aug 2013 #346
Gosh, I'd hate to see you drop your Guardian subscription over this. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #350
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