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98. I have stayed out of these discussions
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:56 PM
Aug 2013

Afraid of having "newbie" status thrown at me (I'm not - been here for years, just don't post often), or being accused of being an Obama apologist, because if a line in the sand has to be drawn, with the supporters on one side and the critics on the other, I'm on the supporter side.

But I, and no one I know, defends his every move.

1) I was opposed to the Patriot Act when it was introduced, and the NSA revelations don't surprise me at all. And Obama's defense of the NSA doesn't surprise me either. To me, here's the situation. Because of the out-of-proportion fear of terrorists in this country, I can't imagine any President taking any chances that a major terrorist attack will take place on his/her watch. I think it's crazy, I hate the whole idea of a surveillance state, but it's what we've got.

2) I support single-payer health care. Again, it's not going to happen soon (I think that, inevitably, it will eventually). While folks here decry this Obama gift to the health insurance industry, more than half the country think the incremental steps of Obamacare are the start of a communist society. I don't like the way he negotiated, but at the same time, in the current political climate, I think this is the best we could have gotten.

3) I despise the drone policy; it's the biggest terrorist recruitment policy of all - but see number 1.

4) I wanted to see those responsible for the economic collapse punished. It hasn't happened, I wasn't surprised. Half this country voted for Romney. Half this country, in some weird alternate reality, honestly believes that the only way to fix the economy is to give these criminals even more freedom. The very minimal reforms Obama has helped put into effect are way too little, but, to half the country, they are the moves of an anti-capitalist who wants to redistribute the wealth from the earners to the takers. I don't get it - but this is how way too many feel.

The political center has moved so far to the right that it is going to take a very long time to move it back. I am not surprised that Obama has done so little to move it back; I think he has done about as much as anyone could. What I am disappointed by is that this caution seems to be a characteristic of Obama. It's not like he wants more progressive policies and isn't able to get them - this is his nature. But, with the current climate, and the current Congress, would a more progressive president been able to do more? This is where I probably respectfully disagree with many here. I think this is about as good as we could have gotten. A small step in the right (left) direction, but about what is possible right now.

Whenever I read posts here, and find myself thinking - yeah. what a disappointment Obama has been - I take a little trip outside the bubble and read the comments in response to mainstream newspaper articles about the issues in question. And I realize what reality is. The same President that we see as far too cautious, or as a Democrat in name only, as the NSA defending Wall Street sympathizer - half the country sees him as the most liberal President in history, as a leftist radical, some see him, literally, as the Anti-Christ.

The country is not going to accept the Obama we would like to see, even if he had it in him. It's going to be a very slow swing back to a center that almost anyone at DU could accept as reasonable. Obama frustrates me, disappoints me, but here in the polarized climate of DU, I would be called an Obama apologist, or, supporting everything he does, as far from the truth as that is.

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Paid shills in the Philippines FreakinDJ Aug 2013 #1
that country has a higher activity level here than any other outside North America carolinayellowdog Aug 2013 #17
Those of us that operate Servers/Websites understand how prevelent it really is FreakinDJ Aug 2013 #34
witch hunt, disruptive nonsense, utter lack of creativity arely staircase Aug 2013 #22
As I posted many times, one of our members congratulated another Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #76
Automated result for the alert on this post... madinmaryland Aug 2013 #30
BWAaaaaahahaha FreakinDJ Aug 2013 #33
a fraudulent alert on more than one level carolinayellowdog Aug 2013 #49
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To all the Mental midgets - Fuck your Anti-Filipino Racism Slurr FreakinDJ Aug 2013 #59
Even authoritarian ratfucking gets outsourced. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #130
I bet I know who alerted this! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #71
Kill lists and drone strikes pscot Aug 2013 #2
kill list with no legal recourse for anyone on it. Phlem Aug 2013 #89
Yes. He's theirs. Igel Aug 2013 #3
hey, a facet of freepers were the same way about George W. grasswire Aug 2013 #4
Yep. Exactly. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #131
It's called a personality cult PSPS Aug 2013 #5
You don't know that posters who defend Obama are with him on every move he makes. Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #6
This is true. It would be like throwing chum to sharks, wouldn't it? Whisp Aug 2013 #23
That is right! Another one: when he rides a bike he reminds me of Eurkel. Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #25
No. Obviously so. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #7
I support pres.obama because tapermaker Aug 2013 #8
That is a very fair explanation, in my opinion. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #26
Welcome to DU, tapermaker! calimary Aug 2013 #90
Nobody wants their hero to have feet of clay. LWolf Aug 2013 #9
My Party is always right. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #10
which one is that? arely staircase Aug 2013 #106
If you are accusing me of being Libertarian, then my response would be hidden Savannahmann Aug 2013 #111
what do you think about medicare? nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #113
What is this a Litmus test to see if I am really a Liberal? Savannahmann Aug 2013 #135
I don't get it either Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #11
They don't. Do they? Even Michelle questions things he does. Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #12
I can remember when they redefined homophobia for him. The Link Aug 2013 #13
A blind man sincerely believes its always dark - he is wrong, but sincere none the less 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #14
"Obama pushes big cut in nuclear weapons" bhikkhu Aug 2013 #15
That's a non-existent group, of course. gulliver Aug 2013 #16
No burnodo Aug 2013 #18
I'm sure all of you chiming in realize how arrogant and full of shit you sound Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #19
Automated result for the alert on this post... BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #35
Thanks for posting that. Whew! Dodged a bullet Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #65
LOL, 7 posts hidden in the last 90 days. You have some issues. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #80
Thanks for the diagnosis, doc! Do you clean carpets too? Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #83
Alert the disruptors. If you are correct, which I doubt, they will get locked. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #85
+1 I wonder if THEY are sincere treestar Aug 2013 #60
LOL, you are entertaining. Not sure you are serious though. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #66
"tread in your Birkenstocks"?? Interesting choice of words. NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #95
Yes. I cannot believe a sign of purity for Democrats would be love of Birkenstocks. Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #102
OK, now I understand from where your comment originates. NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #103
“My dear boy, the people who love only once in their lives are really the shallow people. rug Aug 2013 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author arely staircase Aug 2013 #21
Surveillance states are *always* accompanied by propaganda states. woo me with science Aug 2013 #24
+1. And propaganda and misdirection and disinformation works. Skip Intro Aug 2013 #92
Some are sadly sincere. last1standing Aug 2013 #27
Yes and those of us who question NSA surveillance are all racist trolls tularetom Aug 2013 #28
Who defends his every single move? Andy823 Aug 2013 #29
You're not going to get an answer BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #52
I know Andy823 Aug 2013 #96
How is it deflection ... nxylas Aug 2013 #108
Are those that pigeonhole those with positions they disagree with sincere? elias7 Aug 2013 #31
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #32
^^^ This guy gets it ^^^^ FreakinDJ Aug 2013 #36
That person just said he almost voted for Gary Johnson. Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #37
Would be great if we had a 3 party system FreakinDJ Aug 2013 #41
This site advocates for democrats not third parties. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #51
Gee - I wondered what the name meant FreakinDJ Aug 2013 #56
Listen I was just saying what the terms of service say. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #119
bullshit..... go tell that to kendrick meek SwampG8r Aug 2013 #117
It is in the terms of service. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #118
terms of service meant nothing to the ones pushing the republican here SwampG8r Aug 2013 #120
I was not here during that election. And why are you being so hostile? hrmjustin Aug 2013 #121
sorry if i come off hostile SwampG8r Aug 2013 #123
Ok. I understand. Do you know who the democrats will put up the next time? hrmjustin Aug 2013 #124
disgustingly the only "dem" i have heard is crist himself SwampG8r Aug 2013 #125
Yes I do see why you are pissed. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #126
not at you though SwampG8r Aug 2013 #127
No worries my friend. If I had him for a governor I would be very upset as well. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #129
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #55
some of them aren't as good at it as others arely staircase Aug 2013 #107
So you agree with BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #43
No - I just Don't Agree with Obama-Puppets FreakinDJ Aug 2013 #53
what guy? arely staircase Aug 2013 #105
"Message auto removed" does have a certain pithy geek tragedy Aug 2013 #132
Welcome to DU, and ProSense Aug 2013 #38
john galt just got his pizza arely staircase Aug 2013 #109
"I almost voted for Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party nominee" BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #39
Oh that is PERFECT! Rex Aug 2013 #46
oh, well. you should have gone ahead and voted for one of those 3rd party nuts. Obama won BIG! arely staircase Aug 2013 #73
Are people who claim there are DUers that defend Obama's EVERY SINGLE MOVE being disingenous? blogslut Aug 2013 #40
Pretty Much FreakinDJ Aug 2013 #45
That is a quote from whom? blogslut Aug 2013 #48
Not at all burnodo Aug 2013 #61
I realize you can't name those posters because of DU policy blogslut Aug 2013 #62
More convenient for you burnodo Aug 2013 #68
The OP is suffering from a case of hyperbole blogslut Aug 2013 #74
Once again... burnodo Aug 2013 #78
Okay blogslut Aug 2013 #81
You win burnodo Aug 2013 #86
***HOW!?!?!?*** When the tellings of such going ons is filled with overt lies and sophistry to uponit7771 Aug 2013 #42
Not at all. Rex Aug 2013 #44
How can everyone not agree with you about everything? treestar Aug 2013 #47
I believe many are. Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2013 #50
not every single move DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #58
I support President Obama... liberal N proud Aug 2013 #63
Good post. Andy823 Aug 2013 #99
Only one poster I know of is a ridiculous cheerleader for Obama. So much so that.... Logical Aug 2013 #64
Lots of Obama haters, though. nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #67
I assume meaning people who are disappointed in him, thinks he could have done more? n-t Logical Aug 2013 #70
3.5 more years arely staircase Aug 2013 #75
He is 1000 times better than Romney. But overall a disappointment. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #77
to some. nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #79
To anyone paying attention. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #82
uh huh arely staircase Aug 2013 #84
A fine attitude. JoeyT Aug 2013 #100
haters gonna hate arely staircase Aug 2013 #104
Thank you for so aptly demonstrating the point I made downthread. JoeyT Aug 2013 #112
yes. bad obama supporters arely staircase Aug 2013 #114
Only one? burnodo Aug 2013 #69
"Cheerleader" chowder66 Aug 2013 #91
I am very sincere AND I don't support the President's EVERY move and don't expect others to do so. kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #72
Some are like Beliebers. Jamastiene Aug 2013 #87
Defending the president isn't a big deal from me. MyNameGoesHere Aug 2013 #94
Name a DUer who does that please. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #88
I have no probglem with your goals Cryptoad Aug 2013 #97
I have stayed out of these discussions naturallyselected Aug 2013 #98
It depends entirely on the level of identification one has with him. gtar100 Aug 2013 #101
I think most are sincere in their defense, JoeyT Aug 2013 #110
strawman bigtree Aug 2013 #115
Some are, no doubt. Some refuse to believe he could ever do morningfog Aug 2013 #116
You never got Obama, did you? MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #122
I think they are very sincere. Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #128
Who designated today as Lamest OP's Ever Day anyway? BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #133
Apparently, it was you. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #136
Some are paid shills, most likely. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #134
I think at least some, probably most of them are. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #137
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