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JDPriestly

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75. Whose word would you take?

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:20 PM

Aug 2013

What evidence would be enough?

The smell of burning bodies in a detainment camp?

Being stopped on a country road by a police officer with a machine gun for no reason at all?

When will Americans wake up to what is happening to our country and our world?

It baffles me that the same people who deride Snowden for having accepted (and reluctantly) refuge in Russia because the Russians are even less free than those of us in traditionally democratic countries, can't see the abuse of state force when it is being used.

I appreciate your skepticism. It is always wise to ask for evidence. What kinds of evidence will you believe? When will you decide that the water you are sitting in is starting to boil?

Could you describe some possible scenarios or events or changes that would make you wary?

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Glenn Greenwald: "Detaining My Partner: A Failed Attempt at Intimidation" [View all] Hissyspit Aug 2013 OP

I think this is just plain intimidation. Autumn Aug 2013 #1

More than intimidation. They confiscated all his research data. That is theft. geckosfeet Aug 2013 #8

Intimidation, theft, thuggery. That's the New World Order. Who's next on their list? chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #52

Murder. It's a logical progression Demeter Aug 2013 #127

They've been there and done that before fujiyama Aug 2013 #259

I think they can stop the truth. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #169

Maybe they thought he feared "outing", to the extent he was outed. I, for one, did not know that silvershadow Aug 2013 #332

I would hope someone on the "intelligence" agency that decided to Autumn Aug 2013 #335

K&R MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #2

K&R pscot Aug 2013 #3

K&R! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2013 #4

how convenient. Whisp Aug 2013 #5

dizzy yet? GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #6

One day you may come to understand why you can't be taken as a serious person DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #7

Hint: on EVERY story like this, it is best to not jump into 'See? I told you!' mode. randome Aug 2013 #11

The Guardian sent one of its own lawyers... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #37

didn't they botch up the first breaking story that GG gave them in some way? Whisp Aug 2013 #229

You're asking me to verify... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #240

oh, sorry, I must have mistaken you with someone who cared. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #244

Nah, you just tried to make a point... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #247

You should read and follow your advice. morningfog Aug 2013 #44

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #67

I have no tune to change. I go where the facts warrant. randome Aug 2013 #70

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #92

'Abusing their authority'? randome Aug 2013 #100

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #106

"It's very easy to cause cascading events because of a keying error." MyNameGoesHere Aug 2013 #149

Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #200

Oh please... cui bono Aug 2013 #228

I am saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #236

Oh, right... it's all about Obama. cui bono Aug 2013 #238

What are you talking about? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #242

You said 4 1/2 years ago... cui bono Aug 2013 #245

And that is what this place has become ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #299

Yes, again with the 4 1/2 years ago. What happened then? cui bono Aug 2013 #337

I told you ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #348

Okay, what Dems attacking which Dems? cui bono Aug 2013 #353

Well, now you can go ahead and comment as we have confirmation from several extremely sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #269

I note that he didn't answer your post...hmmm U4ikLefty Aug 2013 #336

No, your previous post is a poorly disguised dismissal of the OP. cui bono Aug 2013 #227

"I don't care about being right." That's obvious. morningfog Aug 2013 #271

You definitely don't care about being right. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #315

Right, this never happened. To someone's partner who is a Public Figure now thanks to the sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #107

There is no doubt that Mr. Miranda was detained cali Aug 2013 #108

This story is confirmed by several sources LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #285

I will wait a couple days. You should too. Whisp Aug 2013 #12

Watch for Greenwald's updates... SidDithers Aug 2013 #14

yeh, he's just throwing bait out. Whisp Aug 2013 #16

If a government detained your spouse or your child Aerows Aug 2013 #24

I would never be in a position that Greenwald put himself in. Whisp Aug 2013 #30

I'm not bringing "your child" up Aerows Aug 2013 #39

The U.S. State Dept criticizes China for detaining family members of journalists. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #61

The US didnt detain him Egnever Aug 2013 #76

I never said they did. But don't let that stop you from having Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #88

So you doubt this happened as described, but if it did, Greenwald brought it on himself? deurbano Aug 2013 #157

Just a rerun of a couple facts here: Whisp Aug 2013 #161

You weren't in hurry to fact-check this: Hissyspit Aug 2013 #176

what? Whisp Aug 2013 #181

Read through the thread. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #183

that was how long ago? and you still stay up at night over it? Whisp Aug 2013 #188

You are disingenuous and a poor propagandist,. hold out for the truth as long as you want,. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #234

Well, you're not a journalist, so of course you wouldn't be. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #171

whisp is Canadian? nt grasswire Aug 2013 #34

yes, I am. Whisp Aug 2013 #45

I just find it curious. grasswire Aug 2013 #63

I have seen people from all around the world here. Whisp Aug 2013 #119

People generally have a stake in things JimDandy Aug 2013 #135

really now. you think I'm arranging an invasion from Canada? Whisp Aug 2013 #147

Wow. NEVER said anything about an invasion JimDandy Aug 2013 #152

You have every right to be here. Puglover Aug 2013 #235

Well said. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #279

Excellent point n/t Peregrine Took Aug 2013 #196

The whole world has a stake in American policies, so we do comment LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #284

I am also a dual (British)-Canadian citizen with relatively little knowledge of the politics LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #286

They'd rather hear about how much snowden loves Russia.. Cha Aug 2013 #153

omg. that's true! Russia = GooOOOOOd, Canada = Where Whisp lives! must be baaaaaD..... Whisp Aug 2013 #155

I'm a furiner in the teabagger sense of the word since Pres Obama Cha Aug 2013 #160

This US citizen loves Canada. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #172

I wouldn't think it was about me treestar Aug 2013 #262

Waiting and seeing would be just fine. Obviously, that's not what you chose to do. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #18

everything is a conpiracy theory here these days. Whisp Aug 2013 #22

You are of course welcome to hold that opinion DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #28

+ 1000. Darn you beat me to it! n/t JimDandy Aug 2013 #87

I am making my own conclusions as to the veracity of Greenwalds story Whisp Aug 2013 #148

You know... Hissyspit Aug 2013 #180

he does take donations, it's right there in one of his Guardian pieces Whisp Aug 2013 #184

Wow, what a scam. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #186

It's an interesting way for 'journalists' to be paid, don't you think? Whisp Aug 2013 #189

So he's asking for donations Hissyspit Aug 2013 #193

I am assuming his donation list is private. Whisp Aug 2013 #201

"Making my own conclusions" is the direct opposite of "waiting a couple of days" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #191

I am taking fun guesses now and will see whats what in a couple days... Whisp Aug 2013 #204

Because you are making a series of hilariously stupid posts? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #211

Do you believe that the UK government did not detain David Miranda? Aerows Aug 2013 #29

I will wait to hear more. I will not take Greenwald's word on anything Whisp Aug 2013 #33

Whose word would you take? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #75

jesus cripes get off that ledge. detainment camps? machine guns? Whisp Aug 2013 #112

Perhaps I just have more experience and more knowledge of history and can read the early JDPriestly Aug 2013 #125

Perhaps. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #129

UK's puppet government detains his partner... ocpagu Aug 2013 #142

^ Exactly. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #115

We all know how this works quakerboy Aug 2013 #98

how very productive Swagman Aug 2013 #162

+1 you got it treestar Aug 2013 #263

Your guarantee is worthless tazkcmo Aug 2013 #352

no kidding fascisthunter Aug 2013 #177

Now hush.... don't bring thoughts whistler162 Aug 2013 #15

Flamingdem is that you? Aerows Aug 2013 #19

Oh my God. This is just embarassing. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #21

I know! I'm not sure if you are a fan of GGs but if you are, you should Whisp Aug 2013 #26

Well that didn't take long... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #32

But don't call them Authoritarians! Maedhros Aug 2013 #325

Maybe this, maybe that: Hissyspit Aug 2013 #35

now why would GG have that privilege of making shit up Whisp Aug 2013 #41

I thought you were waiting for the facts? Hissyspit Aug 2013 #48

yeh, i'm pretty sure David didn't really do the chicken thing at the airport... Whisp Aug 2013 #51

The Guardian website tracks cookies. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #60

awww, cookies. I bet they are sweet. I mean how can a cookie be bad? Whisp Aug 2013 #116

It's an amazingly silly, ridiculous diversion attempt. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #173

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It's called hypocrisy, dear. cali Aug 2013 #110

so you think I really really thought that David made chicken noises at the airport... Whisp Aug 2013 #132

noted fascisthunter Aug 2013 #178

Whoosh...... Fuddnik Aug 2013 #53

Please employ some critical thinking here. cali Aug 2013 #105

+1000 CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #166

"Glennie" has real balls, something the POTUS lacks despite having had many opportunities to show plug3 Aug 2013 #207

Good attempt at creating yet another CT. Any thoughts on game consoles and USB drives? idwiyo Aug 2013 #254

why did the poor sot think he'd could just trapse around with stolen government documents? Whisp Aug 2013 #255

Why, according to another CT it's because they are plotting to install Libertarian Overlords idwiyo Aug 2013 #267

Ah, it's a plot! AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #278

What? This is one of the most bizarre conspiracy theories I've ever seen LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #280

Your posts "For all we know" are showing a desperation. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #304

These confiscations are problematic dickthegrouch Aug 2013 #9

Under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act of 2000 officers are permitted to confiscate Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #10

When they get it back.. if functional, it will be loaded with spyware and firmware. nt TheBlackAdder Aug 2013 #71

Well that would be very informative JimDandy Aug 2013 #117

All of the electronics are likely tampered with and therefore should be discarded. n/t NOVA_Dem Aug 2013 #23

hell, evidence could be planted somewhere grasswire Aug 2013 #42

Parallel construction OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #156

yikes grasswire Aug 2013 #174

K&R liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #13

I really don't like this guy - damn libertarian - HOWEVER Triana Aug 2013 #17

He's not a Libertarian octoberlib Aug 2013 #179

Tx for the info! Triana Aug 2013 #256

Well, that's his side of things anyway. He's got the articles to back him up. octoberlib Aug 2013 #261

+1 Little Star Aug 2013 #260

Calling Greenwald a "Libertarian" just makes you look bad. Maedhros Aug 2013 #327

Detaining and threatening his partner Aerows Aug 2013 #20

It must be a mistake! I read on DU that this is all 'hype'! Rex Aug 2013 #31

Quite Aerows Aug 2013 #329

But perhaps a watershed moment for some? Maedhros Aug 2013 #328

Wake-up call that this isn't right and has gone too far. N/T Aerows Aug 2013 #330

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LOL This guy is a tool Egnever Aug 2013 #27

Do you have anything to say about the detention of his partner? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #38

Not at the moment I will wait for the rest of the story Egnever Aug 2013 #47

You see lots of good reasons to detain Greenwald's partner? DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #69

LOL Egnever Aug 2013 #81

Yes. ocpagu Aug 2013 #128

He wasn't arrested he was detained and questioned and released Egnever Aug 2013 #141

Miranda and his partner Greenwald are two different people, you know? grasswire Aug 2013 #308

What about relatives? Why stop at just his partner? Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #96

I would argue it would be incredibly stupid for any of them to go traipsing around the world Egnever Aug 2013 #118

It is stupid from them... ocpagu Aug 2013 #139

So now Great Britain is an authoritarian puppet government with no regard for human rights Egnever Aug 2013 #143

Yep. Pretty much that. Why? Did you fall for the official propaganda of "democracy" etc? n/t ocpagu Aug 2013 #154

I am truly amazed to see a DUer saying what you are now saying muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #195

LOL Egnever Aug 2013 #219

You are the perfect definition... ocpagu Aug 2013 #265

Hey I can play that game too Egnever Aug 2013 #266

Britain? The nation that launched a war of aggression in 2003? JackRiddler Aug 2013 #272

No, but it's not the complete opposite either LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #281

I have no problem with that statement whatsoever. Egnever Aug 2013 #288

I certainly don't think we have the most despotic government on the planet or even close... LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #290

you're not fooling anyone. nt grasswire Aug 2013 #43

I wasnt aware I was trying to fool anyone Egnever Aug 2013 #49

And any of that justifies the British government's abuse how? Hissyspit Aug 2013 #54

abuse? Egnever Aug 2013 #57

Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #58

I see so your outrage is based on the name of the law and not its contents Egnever Aug 2013 #65

No, I'm not. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #66

Ridiculous is screaming Its schedule 7 terrorism they are abusing it! Egnever Aug 2013 #72

I just read it about an hour ago. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #85

Oh you did? So why dont you point out to me where it limits itself to detaining terrorists Egnever Aug 2013 #122

"LONDON (Reuters) - British authorities used anti-terrorism powers to detain the partner of a journa Hissyspit Aug 2013 #170

I see you completely avoided the question Egnever Aug 2013 #192

Fucking garbage law. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #194

I agree the law is over broad IMHO Egnever Aug 2013 #216

They held him for 9 hours. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #94

GB is hardly a hostile country Egnever Aug 2013 #114

GB is a hostile country as is the US to many countries in the world. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #134

"We need to have the ability to look at a situation from different points of view" Egnever Aug 2013 #150

He was detained under the terrorism laws. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #190

Sorry but I dissagree Egnever Aug 2013 #210

How do you prove the chilling effect? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #289

A difficult question Egnever Aug 2013 #292

I agree with you. But what you consider sensationalizing, I consider to be raising awareness. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #293

Fair enough Egnever Aug 2013 #294

It'll be "torture" before long treestar Aug 2013 #264

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Nope Egnever Aug 2013 #59

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #62

Well gee I dont know why they would detain him Egnever Aug 2013 #68

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #82

Of course you will Egnever Aug 2013 #89

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it would appear that you have already made a judgment frylock Aug 2013 #86

Yup I judge Greenwald to be an attention whore with little interest in the truth. Egnever Aug 2013 #126

oh, i have.. frylock Aug 2013 #306

Then start a thread with "an actual fact-based discussion" Union Scribe Aug 2013 #121

And no one is forcing you to read my posts in this thread Egnever Aug 2013 #136

So instead of saying what you want Union Scribe Aug 2013 #144

Says the guy whining about a post in a thread he didnt create Egnever Aug 2013 #151

I think someone else is the tool MNBrewer Aug 2013 #167

Your logic needs help. "I think there is plenty of room for actual improvement in oversight of the rhett o rick Aug 2013 #303

Two...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #36

Wait! I bet he just had a faulty fuel guage! hootinholler Aug 2013 #40

They're getting desperate trying to silence the whistle blowers. And, way too obvious. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #46

The last paragraph is absolutely correct. This kind of abuse will only emphasize how dangerous sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #50

+1 Excellent point leftstreet Aug 2013 #74

Disgusting. AzDar Aug 2013 #55

He flew in from Russia with a "laptop, his cellphone, various video game consuls, DVDs, USB sticks, ucrdem Aug 2013 #64

what business is it of the British government's? grasswire Aug 2013 #73

Bolivian? nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #165

yeh, Bolivian. He is the only surviver of that airplane Obama 'downed'.... n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #239

So? Hissyspit Aug 2013 #77

So that's a lot of electronics to be flying with internationally ucrdem Aug 2013 #93

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #120

Um no, he flew in from Berlin and yes.... Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #84

From Russia?? burnodo Aug 2013 #90

Oh my dear God, DVDs you say? Union Scribe Aug 2013 #123

In the hands of a trained "suspected terrorist", a DVD can be used to decapitate a victim! Dragonfli Aug 2013 #291

How could I have forgotten the flying death disk? Union Scribe Aug 2013 #342

So you are maintaining that the UK was justified in detaining Miranda? Or were they HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #131

I thought he flew in from Berlin. deurbano Aug 2013 #175

This is not about customs. He was in transit at the airport muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #202

It sounds like somebody rolled the dice and lost. ucrdem Aug 2013 #218

Is that 'sounds like in the real world' or 'sounds like in the world ucrdem made up'? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #222

He could have read the docs that print with the ticket, for example. ucrdem Aug 2013 #226

Hang on, you're the one still stuck in the middle 20th century muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #241

I think you're confusing yourself. nt ucrdem Aug 2013 #282

Assuming you have some integrity left, you would correct your post from Russia to Berlin. idwiyo Aug 2013 #357

American thugs and their British poodles. n/t ocpagu Aug 2013 #78

How long before they break into the embassy and grab Assange? Octafish Aug 2013 #79

V for Vendetta... Alive and well in the UK! nt TheBlackAdder Aug 2013 #80

1) David is not a journalist,& 2) it's possible/CONCEIVABLE he was a "mule" for stolen security data UTUSN Aug 2013 #83

The intimidation works both ways? Hissyspit Aug 2013 #95

What I said was what I said; what you said is what you said. n/t UTUSN Aug 2013 #101

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It's interesting that the UK detained Greenwald's 'courier' JimDandy Aug 2013 #277

David Miranda detention: MP asks police for explanation muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #295

Apparently, Parliament did NOT know the Terrorist Act could be used in that way. JimDandy Aug 2013 #307

The police used to say it must only be used for counter-terrorism: muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #309

Miranda traveled to Berlin to work with Laura Poitras on a documentary. Maedhros Aug 2013 #331

kerry and his state dept looking like fucking idiots once again frylock Aug 2013 #91

What does Kerry have to do with this? ucrdem Aug 2013 #283

The UK is not a puppet of the US Progressive dog Aug 2013 #97

This is some sort of justification?? burnodo Aug 2013 #104

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #133

Tell that to British Iraq vets. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #145

I get it, all the Iraqi vets think they're US puppets Progressive dog Aug 2013 #326

Ahem. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #341

Cool, circular logic again Progressive dog Aug 2013 #343

Greenwald's response was very measured. JimDandy Aug 2013 #146

If I were he, I would either Progressive dog Aug 2013 #324

Because I couldn't have said it any better: JimDandy Aug 2013 #351

That does prove a point, the nine hour detention in the UK Progressive dog Aug 2013 #355

All real journalists use their partners to smuggle Progressive dog Aug 2013 #356

UK isn't but our dear government sure as hell is. Forgot abour Poodle? idwiyo Aug 2013 #231

Poodle? Poodle? Poodle? nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #322

Incorrect. The U.K. was, in fact, a puppet of the U.S. in this instance: JimDandy Aug 2013 #270

I'll bet the UK would like to know they're just Progressive dog Aug 2013 #321

They already know. JimDandy Aug 2013 #349

European Convention on Human Rights: ocpagu Aug 2013 #102

This was intimidation.... Swede Atlanta Aug 2013 #103

It appears you were correct! JimDandy Aug 2013 #275

The stakes rise, and the masks fall away... GliderGuider Aug 2013 #109

They wouldn't do this to a Tea Party type advocating the overthrow of the government by guns. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #111

once a gain the cheerleaders for the authoritarian state are applauding.. surprise, surprise, Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #130

We don't know the whole story yet Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #138

These tactics are absolutely disgusting and frightening. closeupready Aug 2013 #137

Totally outrageous. Bolo Boffin Aug 2013 #140

Anti-terrorism agents putting hard earned tax dollars to work. Ash_F Aug 2013 #158

This is why the govt cannot be trusted with collecting info on innocent persons. boston bean Aug 2013 #159

Several explanations come to mind Babel_17 Aug 2013 #163

Sounds like either a deliberate provocation by Miranda or he was meeting someone at Heathrow FarCenter Aug 2013 #164

So? Hissyspit Aug 2013 #182

His existence is now provocative? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #206

If Greenwald or Poitras arrived at Heathrow, they would probably be detained and arrested. FarCenter Aug 2013 #213

Since they are American, and received information from an American about the workings of the NSA muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #215

Greenwald has published information about GCHQ operations, means, and methods FarCenter Aug 2013 #221

"Greenwald's activities can be considered as aiding terrorists" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #224

What matters would be how the UK courts view Greenwald's activities. FarCenter Aug 2013 #230

Guardian reporters and editors in Britain work on the stories muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #243

Greenwald, not his partner. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #248

His partner was acting as a go between and co-conspirator with Greenwald and Poitras. FarCenter Aug 2013 #250

"co-conspirator"??? grasswire Aug 2013 #311

To have a co-conspirator... ocpagu Aug 2013 #317

Conspiring with Poitras to acquire and publish UK official secrets FarCenter Aug 2013 #320

on what charge would they be arrested? grasswire Aug 2013 #310

Publishing information about GCHQ that is protected by the Official Secrets Act FarCenter Aug 2013 #319

Luckily for people, charges can't be made up, like you just did muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #334

Section 6 FarCenter Aug 2013 #338

Nothing here applies to Mr. Miranda. Not even one of all these items. ocpagu Aug 2013 #339

They would apply to Mr Greenwald, and to Mr Miranda if he is aiding Mr Greenwald FarCenter Aug 2013 #340

A connecting flight is a "deliberate provocation"? That's pathetic. wtmusic Aug 2013 #237

Cool Conspiracy Theory! Don't forget to add little green aliens and chemtrails for a good measure! idwiyo Aug 2013 #252

Do you see what is going on here. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #168

Gov has used these tactics on journalists for a long time. Sunlei Aug 2013 #185

And the people here defending this wonder why they are called "Authoritarian Apologists?" RetroLounge Aug 2013 #187

No one is "defending" it. Arkana Aug 2013 #198

Some are just in this thread implying massive conspiracy by Greenwald Hissyspit Aug 2013 #212

I suggest you reread the thread RetroLounge Aug 2013 #268

This is why I don't post anymore wtbymark Aug 2013 #199

Glad to see you picked an important OP JimDandy Aug 2013 #273

"they spent their time interrogating him about the NSA reporting " Catherina Aug 2013 #197

Glenn Gantry "reporting" gulliver Aug 2013 #203

AP: Partner of Reporter at Center of NSA Leak Detained Hissyspit Aug 2013 #208

Reuters: UK Detains Partner of Journalist Linked to Snowden Hissyspit Aug 2013 #209

Thanks for the link. gulliver Aug 2013 #214

Yes, "completely valid." Hissyspit Aug 2013 #298

pardon me, but what crime has Greenwald committed? grasswire Aug 2013 #312

CBS News: Partner of Glenn Greenwald, the journalist who broke the NSA leak story, was detained at Hissyspit Aug 2013 #220

"Brazilian Government Expresses Grave Concern..." Hissyspit Aug 2013 #205

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #217

All that stuff they seized is pricy and so is traveling.... I hope this guy makes a good living... midnight Aug 2013 #223

The Guardian paid for his trip. FarCenter Aug 2013 #232

This is actually really sounding like a clown show for the Bleevers. Whisp Aug 2013 #246

And why would they send encrypted files on physical media via a courier? FarCenter Aug 2013 #249

I'm wondering if he had any trouble getting TO Poitras with all those gadgets... Whisp Aug 2013 #253

???? grasswire Aug 2013 #313

It does exactly that, it shows the corporate-military for what they are, tinny frightened fascists. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #225

NYT says Miranda was carrying Snowden documents to Greenwald. Catherina Aug 2013 #233

Good. That means we have them. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #251

Um... Didn't we always have them??? cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #257

No--I think what was confiscated was more than merely what he stole. msanthrope Aug 2013 #258

Im sure that was their excuse AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #276

I think so too. That sentence is totally unsourced, just sandwiched in there. Catherina Aug 2013 #287

Burgeoning POLICE STATE ... blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #274

Yeah but look at the upgrade it produced! JNelson6563 Aug 2013 #296

You know... Hissyspit Aug 2013 #297

I will bring substance when I feel like it. JNelson6563 Aug 2013 #302

"I will bring substance when I feel like it." sibelian Aug 2013 #323

Could it be because of this? shawn703 Aug 2013 #300

k&r Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #301

"Intimidation" is a bit over-the-top IMO Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #305

"One U.S. security official told Reuters that one of the main purposes of the British government's Hissyspit Aug 2013 #345

Glenn, you "journalist" come out from behind that curtain baronjake Aug 2013 #314

WTF? ocpagu Aug 2013 #316

This is very representative of the group that hates Greenwald DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #318

It's not about Greenwald obxhead Aug 2013 #344

+1 Starry Messenger Aug 2013 #354

What the fuck are you going on about? Hissyspit Aug 2013 #347

STFU Greenwald... SoapBox Aug 2013 #333

What the fuck are you going on about? Hissyspit Aug 2013 #346

Gosh, I'd hate to see you drop your Guardian subscription over this. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #350