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Showing Original Post only (View all)Greenwald's partner's detention is not convenient, hype or self-promotion. [View all]
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child. But when I became a man, I put away childish things.
Greenwald's partner's detention is not convenient, hype or self-promotion.
And no one needs to wait a 'couple of days' or even minutes to figure that out.
David Miranda's detention is an act of intimidation that will likely become a rallying point. The fact that some suggest it's a publicity stunt only proves how ludicrous the pro-NSA arguments have become. You see, it's just too "convenient." It's a set-up. You'll see..it's a devilish ploy.
There's a pattern here. When the NSA dragnet story broke is was derided by some as a "fake scandal." It was imagined to be a broadside aimed at the president, regardless of the fact that no rational commenter suggested that. It was imagined to be an attack on POTUS regardless of the fact that republican leaders took time out from bashing POTUS and the ACA to vigorously defend the NSA and their defense industry patrons.
When the story became larger to include layers of programs, contractors and countries, some said that it was all made up...it was all self-promotion...all to "sell" clicks for a media organization...and that it would "all blow over" when Greenwald and Snowden are proven to be liars, libertarians or leprechauns.
So when a member of Greenwald's family is detained under suspicion of "terror," this pretty much refutes the idea that this journo is not to be taken seriously -- because someone, somewhere is taking him very seriously.
What we're seeing emerge here is the criminalizing of investigative journalism. Miranda was held under Schedule 7 which is intended to ferret out suspected "terrorists." Here we see it used instead to intimidate someone suspected of making the intelligence establishment look bad.
This is a very big deal. It's bigger than partisan politics. It's bigger than the POTUS. It's time to get serious and stop with the comforting bedtime stories of hype and publicity stunts.
It's time to put away these childish things.
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As an FYI here's some background on Schedule 7 which is the law that UK police detained Miranda under. From the ACLU press release:
Background:
Schedule 7 is the law that allows the police to detain anyone at the UK borders without any requirement to show probable cause and hold them for up to nine hours, without seeking further justification. The detainee must respond to any questions, regardless of whether a lawyer is present. No lawyer is provided automatically.
It is a criminal offence for the detainee to refuse to answer questions -- regardless of the grounds for that refusal or otherwise fully cooperate with the police.
According to the advice published by the Association of Chief Police Officers, Schedule 7 should only be used to counter terrorism and may not be used for any other purpose.
A similarly over-broad and vague section of the Act which allowed stop and frisk without any grounds was held to be unlawful by the European Court of Human Rights in 2010. Section 44 - as it was known - violated Article 8 of the European Charter of Human Rights which protects privacy.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/uk-detention-guardian-employee-heathrow-unlawful-and-unwarranted-2013-08-18#.UhE1-z12nWc.twitter
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nashville_brook
Aug 2013
OP
"What we're seeing emerge here is the criminalizing of investigative journalism."
woo me with science
Aug 2013
#2
Lower level people who might be in a position to make such a call. Isn't that obvious? I'm
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2013
#58
I guess that was my point. I was sure the "order" didn't come from the president. I thought that
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2013
#76
So YOU are claiming that President Obama ordered the detention of Greenwald's partner.
bvar22
Aug 2013
#67
"So YOU are claiming that President Obama ordered the detention of Greenwald's partner"
Cali_Democrat
Aug 2013
#103
No thanks. If you don't realize that Britain has its own long history of abusing terrorism laws --
pnwmom
Aug 2013
#57
Well, the talking points you're using now are worn out and don't work anymore.
Maedhros
Aug 2013
#171
It's an insult. The flip side of Obama hater. Would you like being called a hater? n/t
pnwmom
Aug 2013
#75
Seriously it is annoying and offensive even to people who you aren't saying it to
davidpdx
Aug 2013
#128
The UK has almost as much reason to be concerned about what's revealed about them
pnwmom
Aug 2013
#146
why should the UK be concerned...if they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear
nashville_brook
Aug 2013
#172
"What we're seeing emerge here is the criminalizing of investigative journalism."
cui bono
Aug 2013
#15
strolling around with post-9/11 BAIT? come on! you can't leave us hanging!
nashville_brook
Aug 2013
#111
He was not "strolling" around Heathrow. He was in transit between Germany and Brazil.
totodeinhere
Aug 2013
#108
... Mr Miranda ... had spent the previous week in Berlin visiting Laura Poitras ... who has .. been
struggle4progress
Aug 2013
#23
I don't know why he was detained. It might indeed have something to do with the Snowden/NSA story,
struggle4progress
Aug 2013
#43
Do you have a copy of Schedule 7? It's possible, for example, that both (1) the public justification
struggle4progress
Aug 2013
#74
The article actually says he's delivering documents related to the Greenwald's investigations
sweetloukillbot
Aug 2013
#107
Regardless, he's not a poor innocent bystander if he's playing courier for the newspaper
sweetloukillbot
Aug 2013
#135
it's all very foggy. one thing for sure tho, they were willing to stretch the limits
nashville_brook
Aug 2013
#184
BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL SHIT!! Greenwald ADMITS Miranda was carrying docs for Snowden !!!
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#139
spot on. he would still be in custody if any of this criteria were met.
nashville_brook
Aug 2013
#166
unfortunately, the White House today said the UK conferred with them on it.
nashville_brook
Aug 2013
#179
They specifically said that the US was NOT involved in the DECISION or the action.
pnwmom
Aug 2013
#181
Why not? Greenwald is still a U.S. citizen, isn't he? It wouldn't be unusual for
pnwmom
Aug 2013
#185
You're right about the citizenship. But close allies often offer each other a heads-up.
pnwmom
Aug 2013
#198
If that Phillippino might be carrying thousands of British classified documents?
pnwmom
Aug 2013
#200
How do you (or the Brits) know Miranda carried "thousands of classified documents"?
HooptieWagon
Aug 2013
#201