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63. I acknowledge that it is speculation

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:14 PM

Aug 2013

You are right, it is possible that the British could have their own reasons for doing this, that are political in nature. I don't rule that out, but I tend to think the USA spy masters may be involved, but that is my opinion.

I did not "blame Obama", you devotees always jump to that wrong conclusion. I suggested it is high level NSA spies who may be behind this, and they could be rogue elements.

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Greenwald's partner's detention is not convenient, hype or self-promotion. [View all] nashville_brook Aug 2013 OP

Yep. The "Leprechauns" argument is probably already DirkGently Aug 2013 #1

it's that damn good. like three-dimensional chess... nashville_brook Aug 2013 #4

The 'Leprechauns'?... one_voice Aug 2013 #19

LOL! This didn't happen in the USA. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #130

LOL! So what? reusrename Aug 2013 #137

LOL! Your post makes no sense! DirkGently Aug 2013 #147

Lerprechauns. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #164

"Ratf@cking" Leprechauns! DirkGently Aug 2013 #165

Lerp. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #170

Lerping, R@tfucking Leprechauns! DirkGently Aug 2013 #178

The Lerp will abide. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #180

and neither did the Morales incident frylock Aug 2013 #188

weird how the UK 'advised' US officials on this nashville_brook Aug 2013 #195

"What we're seeing emerge here is the criminalizing of investigative journalism." woo me with science Aug 2013 #2

Investigation = disloyalty = turrahizm! DirkGently Aug 2013 #6

And now, being a family member of a Journalist makes you a Terrorist. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #113

+1 nashville_brook Aug 2013 #121

+1 nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #132

And that's when it starts to get really scary Caretha Aug 2013 #68

coming soon, the criminalization of critique nashville_brook Aug 2013 #109

Dissent = disloyalty. Patriots vs. Traitors. Personality DirkGently Aug 2013 #193

If They Step Like A Goose... WillyT Aug 2013 #3

Yep, that sums it up well! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2013 #35

The British are very subservient lackeys to the USA quinnox Aug 2013 #5

You think Obama ordered it? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #7

we understand that's the frame you prefer to operate in nashville_brook Aug 2013 #8

I was asking a simple question Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #11

Welcome to the General Discussion forum? DirkGently Aug 2013 #21

welcome to the internets! nashville_brook Aug 2013 #22

I prefer to call it the interwebz Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #24

so...you want to address your framing? nashville_brook Aug 2013 #31

The interwebz are fun, aren't they? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #37

so your answer is "keep talking about Obama" nashville_brook Aug 2013 #42

Where did I say "keep talking about Obama"? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #46

tell me what you think how that framing helps Obama. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #50

I asked a simple 5 word question Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #54

Stop dissembling. Maedhros Aug 2013 #168

The writer of post #5 said the US made Britain do it. pnwmom Aug 2013 #55

Lower level people who might be in a position to make such a call. Isn't that obvious? I'm Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #58

Are you aware that Britain has its own long history of misusing terrorism laws pnwmom Aug 2013 #60

I guess that was my point. I was sure the "order" didn't come from the president. I thought that Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #76

one would hope he did... nashville_brook Aug 2013 #174

Alexander LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #158

I like innertubes myself. nt tsuki Aug 2013 #112

I don't know, but quinnox Aug 2013 #9

True Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #13

He said "the U.S." Obsessed with Obama much? DirkGently Aug 2013 #10

Well Obama is head of the executive branch Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #18

So you're already blaming Obama? DirkGently Aug 2013 #27

I am? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #30

Don't see anyone else here bringing him into it. DirkGently Aug 2013 #36

Well he's the Prez Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #40

Interesting theory you've got blaming Obama. Sort of misses the thrust DirkGently Aug 2013 #45

Well if there was an order Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #48

So YOU are claiming that President Obama ordered the detention of Greenwald's partner. bvar22 Aug 2013 #67

Reading is fundamental Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #80

Reading IS fundamental. bvar22 Aug 2013 #87

I never said Obama ordered the detention Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #89

Another FALSE ststement. bvar22 Aug 2013 #96

You said: Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #97

why is that your assumption? if there was "an order" why would it nashville_brook Aug 2013 #94

If there was an order Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #98

why would you assume that POTUS is involved in intel administration? nashville_brook Aug 2013 #92

Well... Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #99

what do you mean by "an order like this"? nashville_brook Aug 2013 #100

Working harder than a cat trying to cover a turd, bvar22 Aug 2013 #101

"So YOU are claiming that President Obama ordered the detention of Greenwald's partner" Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #103

In transit zone in the airport Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #102

for a Brazilian citizen? nashville_brook Aug 2013 #110

They're in Heathrow airport Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #114

No thanks. If you don't realize that Britain has its own long history of abusing terrorism laws -- pnwmom Aug 2013 #57

Oh, it's all just "speculation," dontcha know? Th1onein Aug 2013 #124

Everyone already knew all about this a long time ago LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #160

lol Th1onein Aug 2013 #163

pole dancer. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #182

If so, the Personality Cult will defend it. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #16

I think we need more information. n/t Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #20

All it takes is removing your head from the sand. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #26

My head is in the sand? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #33

Then what information do you need? HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #47

I think we need more information Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #49

ie, you need talking points. /nt Marr Aug 2013 #61

To be delivered to my inbox tomorrow morning Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #62

Well, the talking points you're using now are worn out and don't work anymore. Maedhros Aug 2013 #171

Don't worry Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #175

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Aug 2013 #59

Did he need to? Caretha Aug 2013 #79

Thankfully Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #81

And that has to do with what? Caretha Aug 2013 #85

You seem angry Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #88

I have no desire Caretha Aug 2013 #93

Actually I'm a pretty easy-going person Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #95

Believe it or not Caretha Aug 2013 #104

When you use the words Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #105

Yes I do Cali_Democrat Caretha Aug 2013 #115

No, and I think it's likely that the UK did it on their own Aerows Aug 2013 #141

You think the US had no role in it? morningfog Aug 2013 #151

The British have their own long history of misusing terrorism laws pnwmom Aug 2013 #51

I acknowledge that it is speculation quinnox Aug 2013 #63

I don't appreciate being called an Obama devotee any more than pnwmom Aug 2013 #66

oh come on, lighten up a bit quinnox Aug 2013 #70

It's an insult. The flip side of Obama hater. Would you like being called a hater? n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #75

"the flip side"?? Seriously? quinnox Aug 2013 #82

I'm sure there are worse things to call someone pnwmom Aug 2013 #116

Seriously it is annoying and offensive even to people who you aren't saying it to davidpdx Aug 2013 #128

Thank you for speaking up, too. nt pnwmom Aug 2013 #131

Well half way through the thread we have the use of davidpdx Aug 2013 #127

Some of the revelations Aerows Aug 2013 #142

Grasping at straws at this point. bvar22 Aug 2013 #72

The UK has almost as much reason to be concerned about what's revealed about them pnwmom Aug 2013 #146

why should the UK be concerned...if they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear nashville_brook Aug 2013 #172

No country wants their spying activities splashed all over the media. pnwmom Aug 2013 #173

Not to mention some of the information Aerows Aug 2013 #145

K&R pscot Aug 2013 #12

If the guy's computer stuff has one Snowden document on it... gulliver Aug 2013 #14

that's quite a leap to assume he'd have Snowden docs, nashville_brook Aug 2013 #38

It's quite a leap for you to think I am assuming that. gulliver Aug 2013 #52

The Personality Cult is grasping at straws. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #56

the hole is dug... nashville_brook Aug 2013 #122

"and the guy's partner is Glenn Greenwald"... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #65

"What we're seeing emerge here is the criminalizing of investigative journalism." cui bono Aug 2013 #15

Great fit with Feinstein's proposal.... snappyturtle Aug 2013 #133

So why was he strolling around Heathrow with all that bait in his rucksack ucrdem Aug 2013 #17

please roll out you theory in the best possible light nashville_brook Aug 2013 #25

I think your OP title covers the bases. nt ucrdem Aug 2013 #41

strolling around with post-9/11 BAIT? come on! you can't leave us hanging! nashville_brook Aug 2013 #111

Bait? Go on..... ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #29

Was he dressed too sexy, too? DirkGently Aug 2013 #39

clearly he was 'asking for it' nashville_brook Aug 2013 #123

I LOVE this attempted meme. It fails so DirkGently Aug 2013 #159

Please enlighten us. bvar22 Aug 2013 #83

He was not "strolling" around Heathrow. He was in transit between Germany and Brazil. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #108

... Mr Miranda ... had spent the previous week in Berlin visiting Laura Poitras ... who has .. been struggle4progress Aug 2013 #23

and...that's terrorism? nashville_brook Aug 2013 #28

In the eyes of the poster... sure. cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #34

I don't know why he was detained. It might indeed have something to do with the Snowden/NSA story, struggle4progress Aug 2013 #43

but do you think If he had Snowden docs, that's terrorism? nashville_brook Aug 2013 #44

Thats what GG and friends would like for you to believe Egnever Aug 2013 #53

Do you have a copy of Schedule 7? It's possible, for example, that both (1) the public justification struggle4progress Aug 2013 #74

This came up on another thread. Denzil_DC Aug 2013 #90

The article actually says he's delivering documents related to the Greenwald's investigations sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #107

a dastardly case of aiding and abetting... nashville_brook Aug 2013 #125

Journalism IS practically mass murder, after all. DirkGently Aug 2013 #153

The Guardian may have paid for Mirand's trip to protect him.... snappyturtle Aug 2013 #134

Regardless, he's not a poor innocent bystander if he's playing courier for the newspaper sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #135

I am not aware of Miranda being tagged as a "poor snappyturtle Aug 2013 #136

Because participating in journalism is practically terrorism. DirkGently Aug 2013 #152

it's an emerging meme...will be common sense in no time. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #154

Rightwingers are already there. Always have been. DirkGently Aug 2013 #161

indeed. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #176

Aiding and abetting journalism? DirkGently Aug 2013 #32

is there ANYTHING the pro-authoritarians will not defend? Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #64

Yes. The Constitution of the United States of America. grasswire Aug 2013 #71

How does the Constitution apply in Heathrow? nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #77

the question was in general Skittles Aug 2013 #129

Oh snap. DUzy. Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #78

Back in the Bush years - Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2013 #117

+1 nashville_brook Aug 2013 #144

Schedule 7 was in process of being revised 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #69

interesting. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #119

I'm finding conflicting info on schedule 7. reusrename Aug 2013 #138

That's why I posted that info about the proposed changes to Schedule 7 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #155

The weasel-wording in the act itself is a problem for me. reusrename Aug 2013 #162

You're exactly right imo 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #167

He's not a prisoner. He's a "Detainee", bvar22 Aug 2013 #187

it's all very foggy. one thing for sure tho, they were willing to stretch the limits nashville_brook Aug 2013 #184

There's a tiny problem here. reusrename Aug 2013 #186

Cowards & Bullies = Flip-Side Of Same Coin DeSwiss Aug 2013 #73

I agree. bvar22 Aug 2013 #91

4? Rex Aug 2013 #84

It's bullshit is what it is NYC Liberal Aug 2013 #86

Thank you. Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2013 #118

Anyone pushing that meme is (a) an idiot, or (b) has an agenda. nt NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #106

+1 nashville_brook Aug 2013 #120

the only way to "put away the childish" on DU is to use IGNORE Skittles Aug 2013 #126

BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL SHIT!! Greenwald ADMITS Miranda was carrying docs for Snowden !!! uponit7771 Aug 2013 #139

so, tell us how this is convenient, hype and a ploy. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #140

And that makes him a terror suspect how? DirkGently Aug 2013 #148

it's the all-caps that makes it so compelling. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #169

Well of course he would. Why not? Celefin Aug 2013 #149

spot on. he would still be in custody if any of this criteria were met. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #166

And if he was, so what? AngryAmish Aug 2013 #150

+1 nashville_brook Aug 2013 #157

K&R nt TBF Aug 2013 #143

Wonderful post. Thank you n/t ocpagu Aug 2013 #156

And it was also not done by the U.S. pnwmom Aug 2013 #177

unfortunately, the White House today said the UK conferred with them on it. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #179

They specifically said that the US was NOT involved in the DECISION or the action. pnwmom Aug 2013 #181

if UK is acting alone, why inform the US at the highest levels? nashville_brook Aug 2013 #183

Why not? Greenwald is still a U.S. citizen, isn't he? It wouldn't be unusual for pnwmom Aug 2013 #185

Greenwald wasn't detained. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #197

You're right about the citizenship. But close allies often offer each other a heads-up. pnwmom Aug 2013 #198

So, you think the US gives Britain a "heads up" ... HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #199

If that Phillippino might be carrying thousands of British classified documents? pnwmom Aug 2013 #200

How do you (or the Brits) know Miranda carried "thousands of classified documents"? HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #201

I didn't say he should have been detained. pnwmom Aug 2013 #202

yet.... mike_c Aug 2013 #189

Britain has plenty of motive for doing this, without any input from the U.S. pnwmom Aug 2013 #190

that wasn't the point, was it...? mike_c Aug 2013 #191

You made two points. I chose to respond to one. pnwmom Aug 2013 #192

Yet they felt compelled to give us a "heads up" ahead of time. DirkGently Aug 2013 #196

good point... nashville_brook Aug 2013 #194

kick woo me with science Aug 2013 #203