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94. why is that your assumption? if there was "an order" why would it

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:49 PM

Aug 2013

come from POTUS? don't we have intelligence executives who would be in charge of that?

which also begs the question, why would it necessarily be an executive decision? it could just as easily be "bad apples" or over-zealous security agents.

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Greenwald's partner's detention is not convenient, hype or self-promotion. [View all] nashville_brook Aug 2013 OP

Yep. The "Leprechauns" argument is probably already DirkGently Aug 2013 #1

it's that damn good. like three-dimensional chess... nashville_brook Aug 2013 #4

The 'Leprechauns'?... one_voice Aug 2013 #19

LOL! This didn't happen in the USA. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #130

LOL! So what? reusrename Aug 2013 #137

LOL! Your post makes no sense! DirkGently Aug 2013 #147

Lerprechauns. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #164

"Ratf@cking" Leprechauns! DirkGently Aug 2013 #165

Lerp. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #170

Lerping, R@tfucking Leprechauns! DirkGently Aug 2013 #178

The Lerp will abide. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #180

and neither did the Morales incident frylock Aug 2013 #188

weird how the UK 'advised' US officials on this nashville_brook Aug 2013 #195

"What we're seeing emerge here is the criminalizing of investigative journalism." woo me with science Aug 2013 #2

Investigation = disloyalty = turrahizm! DirkGently Aug 2013 #6

And now, being a family member of a Journalist makes you a Terrorist. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #113

+1 nashville_brook Aug 2013 #121

+1 nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #132

And that's when it starts to get really scary Caretha Aug 2013 #68

coming soon, the criminalization of critique nashville_brook Aug 2013 #109

Dissent = disloyalty. Patriots vs. Traitors. Personality DirkGently Aug 2013 #193

If They Step Like A Goose... WillyT Aug 2013 #3

Yep, that sums it up well! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2013 #35

The British are very subservient lackeys to the USA quinnox Aug 2013 #5

You think Obama ordered it? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #7

we understand that's the frame you prefer to operate in nashville_brook Aug 2013 #8

I was asking a simple question Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #11

Welcome to the General Discussion forum? DirkGently Aug 2013 #21

welcome to the internets! nashville_brook Aug 2013 #22

I prefer to call it the interwebz Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #24

so...you want to address your framing? nashville_brook Aug 2013 #31

The interwebz are fun, aren't they? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #37

so your answer is "keep talking about Obama" nashville_brook Aug 2013 #42

Where did I say "keep talking about Obama"? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #46

tell me what you think how that framing helps Obama. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #50

I asked a simple 5 word question Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #54

Stop dissembling. Maedhros Aug 2013 #168

The writer of post #5 said the US made Britain do it. pnwmom Aug 2013 #55

Lower level people who might be in a position to make such a call. Isn't that obvious? I'm Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #58

Are you aware that Britain has its own long history of misusing terrorism laws pnwmom Aug 2013 #60

I guess that was my point. I was sure the "order" didn't come from the president. I thought that Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #76

one would hope he did... nashville_brook Aug 2013 #174

Alexander LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #158

I like innertubes myself. nt tsuki Aug 2013 #112

I don't know, but quinnox Aug 2013 #9

True Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #13

He said "the U.S." Obsessed with Obama much? DirkGently Aug 2013 #10

Well Obama is head of the executive branch Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #18

So you're already blaming Obama? DirkGently Aug 2013 #27

I am? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #30

Don't see anyone else here bringing him into it. DirkGently Aug 2013 #36

Well he's the Prez Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #40

Interesting theory you've got blaming Obama. Sort of misses the thrust DirkGently Aug 2013 #45

Well if there was an order Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #48

So YOU are claiming that President Obama ordered the detention of Greenwald's partner. bvar22 Aug 2013 #67

Reading is fundamental Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #80

Reading IS fundamental. bvar22 Aug 2013 #87

I never said Obama ordered the detention Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #89

Another FALSE ststement. bvar22 Aug 2013 #96

You said: Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #97

why is that your assumption? if there was "an order" why would it nashville_brook Aug 2013 #94

If there was an order Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #98

why would you assume that POTUS is involved in intel administration? nashville_brook Aug 2013 #92

Well... Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #99

what do you mean by "an order like this"? nashville_brook Aug 2013 #100

Working harder than a cat trying to cover a turd, bvar22 Aug 2013 #101

"So YOU are claiming that President Obama ordered the detention of Greenwald's partner" Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #103

In transit zone in the airport Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #102

for a Brazilian citizen? nashville_brook Aug 2013 #110

They're in Heathrow airport Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #114

No thanks. If you don't realize that Britain has its own long history of abusing terrorism laws -- pnwmom Aug 2013 #57

Oh, it's all just "speculation," dontcha know? Th1onein Aug 2013 #124

Everyone already knew all about this a long time ago LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #160

lol Th1onein Aug 2013 #163

pole dancer. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #182

If so, the Personality Cult will defend it. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #16

I think we need more information. n/t Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #20

All it takes is removing your head from the sand. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #26

My head is in the sand? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #33

Then what information do you need? HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #47

I think we need more information Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #49

ie, you need talking points. /nt Marr Aug 2013 #61

To be delivered to my inbox tomorrow morning Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #62

Well, the talking points you're using now are worn out and don't work anymore. Maedhros Aug 2013 #171

Don't worry Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #175

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Aug 2013 #59

Did he need to? Caretha Aug 2013 #79

Thankfully Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #81

And that has to do with what? Caretha Aug 2013 #85

You seem angry Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #88

I have no desire Caretha Aug 2013 #93

Actually I'm a pretty easy-going person Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #95

Believe it or not Caretha Aug 2013 #104

When you use the words Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #105

Yes I do Cali_Democrat Caretha Aug 2013 #115

No, and I think it's likely that the UK did it on their own Aerows Aug 2013 #141

You think the US had no role in it? morningfog Aug 2013 #151

The British have their own long history of misusing terrorism laws pnwmom Aug 2013 #51

I acknowledge that it is speculation quinnox Aug 2013 #63

I don't appreciate being called an Obama devotee any more than pnwmom Aug 2013 #66

oh come on, lighten up a bit quinnox Aug 2013 #70

It's an insult. The flip side of Obama hater. Would you like being called a hater? n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #75

"the flip side"?? Seriously? quinnox Aug 2013 #82

I'm sure there are worse things to call someone pnwmom Aug 2013 #116

Seriously it is annoying and offensive even to people who you aren't saying it to davidpdx Aug 2013 #128

Thank you for speaking up, too. nt pnwmom Aug 2013 #131

Well half way through the thread we have the use of davidpdx Aug 2013 #127

Some of the revelations Aerows Aug 2013 #142

Grasping at straws at this point. bvar22 Aug 2013 #72

The UK has almost as much reason to be concerned about what's revealed about them pnwmom Aug 2013 #146

why should the UK be concerned...if they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear nashville_brook Aug 2013 #172

No country wants their spying activities splashed all over the media. pnwmom Aug 2013 #173

Not to mention some of the information Aerows Aug 2013 #145

K&R pscot Aug 2013 #12

If the guy's computer stuff has one Snowden document on it... gulliver Aug 2013 #14

that's quite a leap to assume he'd have Snowden docs, nashville_brook Aug 2013 #38

It's quite a leap for you to think I am assuming that. gulliver Aug 2013 #52

The Personality Cult is grasping at straws. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #56

the hole is dug... nashville_brook Aug 2013 #122

"and the guy's partner is Glenn Greenwald"... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #65

"What we're seeing emerge here is the criminalizing of investigative journalism." cui bono Aug 2013 #15

Great fit with Feinstein's proposal.... snappyturtle Aug 2013 #133

So why was he strolling around Heathrow with all that bait in his rucksack ucrdem Aug 2013 #17

please roll out you theory in the best possible light nashville_brook Aug 2013 #25

I think your OP title covers the bases. nt ucrdem Aug 2013 #41

strolling around with post-9/11 BAIT? come on! you can't leave us hanging! nashville_brook Aug 2013 #111

Bait? Go on..... ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #29

Was he dressed too sexy, too? DirkGently Aug 2013 #39

clearly he was 'asking for it' nashville_brook Aug 2013 #123

I LOVE this attempted meme. It fails so DirkGently Aug 2013 #159

Please enlighten us. bvar22 Aug 2013 #83

He was not "strolling" around Heathrow. He was in transit between Germany and Brazil. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #108

... Mr Miranda ... had spent the previous week in Berlin visiting Laura Poitras ... who has .. been struggle4progress Aug 2013 #23

and...that's terrorism? nashville_brook Aug 2013 #28

In the eyes of the poster... sure. cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #34

I don't know why he was detained. It might indeed have something to do with the Snowden/NSA story, struggle4progress Aug 2013 #43

but do you think If he had Snowden docs, that's terrorism? nashville_brook Aug 2013 #44

Thats what GG and friends would like for you to believe Egnever Aug 2013 #53

Do you have a copy of Schedule 7? It's possible, for example, that both (1) the public justification struggle4progress Aug 2013 #74

This came up on another thread. Denzil_DC Aug 2013 #90

The article actually says he's delivering documents related to the Greenwald's investigations sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #107

a dastardly case of aiding and abetting... nashville_brook Aug 2013 #125

Journalism IS practically mass murder, after all. DirkGently Aug 2013 #153

The Guardian may have paid for Mirand's trip to protect him.... snappyturtle Aug 2013 #134

Regardless, he's not a poor innocent bystander if he's playing courier for the newspaper sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #135

I am not aware of Miranda being tagged as a "poor snappyturtle Aug 2013 #136

Because participating in journalism is practically terrorism. DirkGently Aug 2013 #152

it's an emerging meme...will be common sense in no time. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #154

Rightwingers are already there. Always have been. DirkGently Aug 2013 #161

indeed. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #176

Aiding and abetting journalism? DirkGently Aug 2013 #32

is there ANYTHING the pro-authoritarians will not defend? Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #64

Yes. The Constitution of the United States of America. grasswire Aug 2013 #71

How does the Constitution apply in Heathrow? nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #77

the question was in general Skittles Aug 2013 #129

Oh snap. DUzy. Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #78

Back in the Bush years - Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2013 #117

+1 nashville_brook Aug 2013 #144

Schedule 7 was in process of being revised 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #69

interesting. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #119

I'm finding conflicting info on schedule 7. reusrename Aug 2013 #138

That's why I posted that info about the proposed changes to Schedule 7 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #155

The weasel-wording in the act itself is a problem for me. reusrename Aug 2013 #162

You're exactly right imo 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #167

He's not a prisoner. He's a "Detainee", bvar22 Aug 2013 #187

it's all very foggy. one thing for sure tho, they were willing to stretch the limits nashville_brook Aug 2013 #184

There's a tiny problem here. reusrename Aug 2013 #186

Cowards & Bullies = Flip-Side Of Same Coin DeSwiss Aug 2013 #73

I agree. bvar22 Aug 2013 #91

4? Rex Aug 2013 #84

It's bullshit is what it is NYC Liberal Aug 2013 #86

Thank you. Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2013 #118

Anyone pushing that meme is (a) an idiot, or (b) has an agenda. nt NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #106

+1 nashville_brook Aug 2013 #120

the only way to "put away the childish" on DU is to use IGNORE Skittles Aug 2013 #126

BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL SHIT!! Greenwald ADMITS Miranda was carrying docs for Snowden !!! uponit7771 Aug 2013 #139

so, tell us how this is convenient, hype and a ploy. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #140

And that makes him a terror suspect how? DirkGently Aug 2013 #148

it's the all-caps that makes it so compelling. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #169

Well of course he would. Why not? Celefin Aug 2013 #149

spot on. he would still be in custody if any of this criteria were met. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #166

And if he was, so what? AngryAmish Aug 2013 #150

+1 nashville_brook Aug 2013 #157

K&R nt TBF Aug 2013 #143

Wonderful post. Thank you n/t ocpagu Aug 2013 #156

And it was also not done by the U.S. pnwmom Aug 2013 #177

unfortunately, the White House today said the UK conferred with them on it. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #179

They specifically said that the US was NOT involved in the DECISION or the action. pnwmom Aug 2013 #181

if UK is acting alone, why inform the US at the highest levels? nashville_brook Aug 2013 #183

Why not? Greenwald is still a U.S. citizen, isn't he? It wouldn't be unusual for pnwmom Aug 2013 #185

Greenwald wasn't detained. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #197

You're right about the citizenship. But close allies often offer each other a heads-up. pnwmom Aug 2013 #198

So, you think the US gives Britain a "heads up" ... HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #199

If that Phillippino might be carrying thousands of British classified documents? pnwmom Aug 2013 #200

How do you (or the Brits) know Miranda carried "thousands of classified documents"? HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #201

I didn't say he should have been detained. pnwmom Aug 2013 #202

yet.... mike_c Aug 2013 #189

Britain has plenty of motive for doing this, without any input from the U.S. pnwmom Aug 2013 #190

that wasn't the point, was it...? mike_c Aug 2013 #191

You made two points. I chose to respond to one. pnwmom Aug 2013 #192

Yet they felt compelled to give us a "heads up" ahead of time. DirkGently Aug 2013 #196

good point... nashville_brook Aug 2013 #194

kick woo me with science Aug 2013 #203