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sabrina 1

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31. I didn't find them exciting, I found most of what I read to be extremely disturbing. I generally
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 11:57 PM
Aug 2013

don't find reading about torture and murder of real human beings to be 'exciting'. I find it horrific and read it only because these crimes are committed in our name and we have a duty, a sad one, to be informed, unlike previous nations who turned a blind eye and later pretended not to know, and then to do everything possible to try to stop the crimes and to get those responsible prosecuted, no matter how long it takes.

And I never thought for a moment that I was reading something I 'was not meant to read'.

I have every right to know what my government is up to, especially when they are committing war crimes. And when they are cozying up to Dictators and Human Rights violators while they support them with money and arms as they terrorize their own people. Yes, we learned a lot from those leaks.

Manning's hopes for justice when he released them shows he still had faith in this country to do what was right. Like many of us during the Bush years, which is when he learned all of this, he thought that the crimes were not known to those in power, and when they found out people would be held accountable. I sympathize with him, we all thought that at one time. Not anymore. Sadly he has learned a sad lesson. However, time has a way of correcting these injustices. See South America eg, it took fifty years to prosecute their war criminals, but people will never forget injustices. So Manning may live to see justice done some day, I hope so.

I also found out that our government, the one we worked so hard to elect, directly interfered to stop the prosecution in Spain, which has jurisdiction over those crimes, from prosecuting Bush Torturers. That was a shock, even though we had wondered why those prosecutions were once again delayed.

Yes we learned a lot about our government and its foreign policies, and Bush's war crimes.

I have no idea why you would think that anyone would find all of this tragic history 'exciting' or that any American should feel they have no right to know what their government is doing in their name.

Manning is a hero for trying to do something to make this a better country.

And his treatment is another lesson learned. While War and Wall St Criminals are protected, we now know we live in a country where it is the messengers who are persecuted. I would not have believed that just a few years ago.

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And for the folks that haven't heard... Tx4obama Aug 2013 #1
OMG you are right! Tutu is an idiot! ROFL ROFL ROFL. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #2
Assange: "The only hope, as far as electoral politics are concerned in the United States, presently, struggle4progress Aug 2013 #5
And? Why should I care about his politics? nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #34
Poster, to whom I responded, misrepresented Assange's views expressed in article struggle4progress Aug 2013 #38
We have known he favored libertarians since he first released information. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #39
FUCKIN WOW!! I just lost all respect for Assange...thx for this, the whole SnowGlen shit is looking uponit7771 Aug 2013 #10
"I just lost all respect for Assange..." Union Scribe Aug 2013 #20
I can only have respect via anonymous post on a forum uponit7771 Aug 2013 #28
So, sadly, no is the answer? nt Union Scribe Aug 2013 #29
It was a question not a statement....still would like to know an answer from you uponit7771 Aug 2013 #41
Are you in the wrong thread? Tutu salutes Bradley Manning is the topic. So do I. How about you? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #22
Thank Manning... August 18th letter writing campaign. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #3
I think all Manning's "supporters" should commit, for the next twenty years, struggle4progress Aug 2013 #6
This is a GD thread about a statement by Desmond Tutu. It is not a Meta thread about how others Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #13
They can't respond to you on that point. It would require them to admit they are wrong. stevenleser Aug 2013 #25
I've read possibly thousands of them. And the information in them is stunning. In fact sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #26
There are several peoples' diaries that have been made into books. Those are fascinating too. stevenleser Aug 2013 #30
I didn't find them exciting, I found most of what I read to be extremely disturbing. I generally sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #31
I don't put much stock in the impressions of diplomats that they send back to Foggy Bottom. stevenleser Aug 2013 #32
War logs, cables, war crimes on video. Support for Dictators and the cynical reasons why. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #33
Nice! Rex Aug 2013 #36
Nope, I've read plenty of them. I never confuse a memo with reality, I require verification. stevenleser Aug 2013 #44
Well if you read them, perhaps you can explain why we are still supporting Karamov of Uzbekistan sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #49
Well, if you read them, can you explain why it was necessary for us to know the eating habits of stevenleser Aug 2013 #50
Can you answer my question, or did you only read the fluff which I mostly ignored and searched for sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #53
+100 nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #35
I admire them all but regard their support for Manning as a surrogate for other issues struggle4progress Aug 2013 #4
I cannot agree. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #11
Really? Is it better to have military secrets like how to make advanced weapons like nukes public? stevenleser Aug 2013 #15
Way to distort. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #16
It's not a distortion, it's the exact point. No, it's not always better. And the moment you stevenleser Aug 2013 #17
Well that's a new one, anyway. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #23
And if you knew anything aqbout Manning you would know that he carefully chose what to release sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #37
No, he didn't. He did not read through 700,000 diplomatic cables. PLUS he apologized for hurting stevenleser Aug 2013 #45
His 'apology' meaningless. People who have been tortured and persecuted are understandably sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #46
That's what defense attorneys are for. If his apology was B.S., his attorney could have told us that stevenleser Aug 2013 #48
Well, that is my point. Defense attorneys have a duty to try to get the best deal for their clients sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #52
I think I agree with everything you wrote. Very well said. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #19
Most of them relate to the Bush era. Do you think Bush's crimes should protected from exposure? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #27
You know, Quantess Aug 2013 #7
Who attacked Tutu? nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #21
Post #1 was knee jerk snark against Tutu Quantess Aug 2013 #42
Tutu wasn't mentioned or referred to in that post. In fact it was a pretty OT comment. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #43
Why wasn't he mentioned?? That is the topic of this OP. And that is the problem with sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #47
You will have to take that up with the person who made the comment. I flunked out of mind reading nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #51
You don't have to be a mind reader. Some things are just obvious. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #54
If Manning wins the Nobel Peace Prize..... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #8
not a chance of that happening struggle4progress Aug 2013 #40
! blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #9
Desmond Tutu is a great man. I notice much snark toward him along with the off topic comments Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #12
YEP. Rex Aug 2013 #18
No one snarked at Tutu under this OP. Is there another OP you are talking about? nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #24
K & R Quantess Aug 2013 #14
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