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Jamaal510

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137. I think that

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 03:22 AM

Aug 2013

this non-scandal is starting to fizzle out, anyway. The M$M really isn't hyping it as much as they were. Judging from the polls, most Americans don't seem to give a damn about Snowden. And even on DU, the average amount of recs for the panic posts about Snowden drastically lowered from 300+ to around 100 recs in several months. This was nothing more than yet another attempt by Obama's political enemies to undermine his administration, which ended up just being a distraction from civil rights issues that actually do affect average Americans, such as Stop-and-Frisk and the GOP's efforts to obliterate voting rights.

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I Am Beyond Sick/Tired Of Being Called An "Authoritarian NSA Apologist". [View all] KittyWampus Aug 2013 OP

Shoes fitting, cakes having and eating, etc.. cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #1

As someone who was here on DU watching Nader's aftermath unfold years ago� KittyWampus Aug 2013 #2

Sounds like projection of the double standard CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #18

It's projection all right. reusrename Aug 2013 #134

"Sounds like projection of the double standard" villager Aug 2013 #176

Some Clinton fans love this episode. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #28

"Nader's aftermath" Webster Green Aug 2013 #79

If anything will push Democrats into the Green Party, it is Democratics condoning this surveillance. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #88

I hope all those who have lost their minds on this issue go Green. stevenleser Aug 2013 #125

What a shame that the hair on fire stuff isn't quite as appealing as fascism to some people. reusrename Aug 2013 #135

Not really. Rex Aug 2013 #139

LOL, right, because the choice is raving about unsubstantiated claims or Fascism. stevenleser Aug 2013 #156

We are deliberately examining it and fixing it. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #145

No, the group to which you belong is not deliberately examining or fixing it. You're jumping on stevenleser Aug 2013 #157

It didn't end 40 years ago, and the War-Criminals and Torturers were Never Punished HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #158

Yes. alarimer Aug 2013 #172

Huh? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #81

Then stop making it about the personalities and about the facts as known hootinholler Aug 2013 #3

The "government attacks on Snowden the person"????? karynnj Aug 2013 #55

How has Snowden harmed US foreign policy? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #90

Making what many knew public means that many countries karynnj Aug 2013 #106

My favorite for 2016 is clear from my signature line. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #144

+1000. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #159

That's not possible. jeff47 Aug 2013 #102

the answer to your question lies in decades of deception by.... grasswire Aug 2013 #4

I'd like to see the flight path you filed, before making a judgement on your facts. The Link Aug 2013 #5

it would look like a pretzel Skittles Aug 2013 #26

The doubling down in responses to you is pretty funny. If the facts are with you, you dont have to stevenleser Aug 2013 #6

+1...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #8

+1 nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #10

+1 nt jazzimov Aug 2013 #12

+1 CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #15

And THAT'S why they love you at Newscorp. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #20

Hee,hee bahrbearian Aug 2013 #30

See my #120 nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #122

See post #43 bahrbearian Aug 2013 #124

That post has nothing to do with me. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #126

Thank you for again proving my point stevenleser Aug 2013 #59

That was silliness. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #77

Shoe fits etc. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #78

It's always interesting to see who applauds cheap shots. It's bad enough to make one but stevenleser Aug 2013 #120

I appreciate a good one. No need to try and top it. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #128

A cheap shot is a cheap shot. Saying it's a "good" one is like saying stevenleser Aug 2013 #129

It was a good one and in this thread deserved for defending what is indefensible. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #130

See my #129 nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #131

I'd do it again in a heartbeat. My patience is gone. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #132

See my #129 nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #133

oh yeah arely staircase Aug 2013 #25

+1 Hekate Aug 2013 #38

you mean names like ratf**kers? azurnoir Aug 2013 #43

+1 nt Grateful for Hope Aug 2013 #108

Yeah, the facts must be with her. Puglover Aug 2013 #113

+1 tallahasseedem Aug 2013 #118

oops Phlem Aug 2013 #7

Meh. The Democratic party has been destroying itself for decades leftstreet Aug 2013 #9

so why do you vote for democrats? arely staircase Aug 2013 #14

I increasingly ask myself the same question. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #22

Cost of running is prohibitive. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #49

Nice try leftstreet Aug 2013 #27

Yes, it was much healthier in 1988 geek tragedy Aug 2013 #45

How about getting an independent Special Prosecutor to investigate the NSA/CIA to get the facts? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #11

A dash of Politeness chowder66 Aug 2013 #13

I'd like to see people tire of name calling. Igel Aug 2013 #31

I think stopping it all together might chowder66 Aug 2013 #36

Name-calling is the resort of the inarticulate. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #91

On one hand it is "authoritarian NSA apologist" on the other hand Rex Aug 2013 #16

You forgot about the "rascist" word used in the beginning of this discussion when Snowden JDPriestly Aug 2013 #93

You have the same doubts/reservations I do about these characters Triana Aug 2013 #17

K/R CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #19

Damn you, Firefox mobile! East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #21

The "freedom" folks are going to put you on their list ... and this OP JoePhilly Aug 2013 #23

Ha ha East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #24

That reminds me of the old doctor joke Warpy Aug 2013 #29

Lousy doctor. If you can't lift your knee to your chin, you need to exercise more and eat less. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #98

If it talks like an "Authoritarian NSA Apologist", and it walks like a ... 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #32

"Authoritarian NSA Apologist" is a meaningless label based on speculation. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #46

I have plenty of proof 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #54

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #57

+10 RC Aug 2013 #73

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #80

The spying violates our Constitution. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #99

and almost everyone here would agree with you... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #161

Then stop doing it. quakerboy Aug 2013 #33

I question whatever happened to the gun debate.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #34

surely iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #35

It's a "shiny object" thing.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #42

...that's what you've gotten out of all this? nt Union Scribe Aug 2013 #52

I guess I'm used to living in the USA since the Cold War.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #58

Maybe some are Cryptoad Aug 2013 #64

I'm pissed that they cheapened it by having EVERYBODY get one.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #100

ummmm Cryptoad Aug 2013 #104

Uh huh... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #115

Spot On. Thank you, KittyWampus. Hekate Aug 2013 #37

R#25 & K for, there's great balm to be had in JaneyVee's thread: UTUSN Aug 2013 #39

LOL. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #40

yeh, like that has never happened. Whisp Aug 2013 #94

Can you explain who the 'us' is in your claim just before your 'some liberals' materials... Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #41

Let's ask Kimberley Dvorak and Michele Catalano. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #44

Speaking on insisting on facts... Matariki Aug 2013 #47

beyond sick kardonb Aug 2013 #48

How can we have any kind of substantiated christx30 Aug 2013 #69

Really? Egnever Aug 2013 #110

Cheney: "We have to work the dark side" tblue Aug 2013 #151

K&R. n/t FSogol Aug 2013 #50

Great post! Scurrilous Aug 2013 #51

Invading Countries Is The Preferred Method otohara Aug 2013 #53

That's marching orders straight from julian assange's whiny tweet.. Cha Aug 2013 #56

Have you noticed that their talking points Iliyah Aug 2013 #61

To quote a brilliant DUer: tblue Aug 2013 #147

I am getting fucking sick and tired of supposed liberal Democrats baldguy Aug 2013 #60

What you said. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2013 #62

The Pauls have nothing to do with this. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #83

The Pauls have nothing to do with this - except that their acolytes seem to be writing the script. baldguy Aug 2013 #92

I am not into CTs esp when it involves bit players like the Pauls. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #97

The idea that Snowdens & Greenwalds critics are automatically totalitarian fascists is a CT. baldguy Aug 2013 #101

Please proceed. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #105

You think using RW talking points to attack a Democratic President doesn't play into the GOPs hands? baldguy Aug 2013 #171

This. Jamaal510 Aug 2013 #136

I'll see your Paulite and raise you a Cheneyite tblue Aug 2013 #150

Except that Snowden and Cheney are birds of a feather. baldguy Aug 2013 #153

Oh, that was funny. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #63

How funny Cryptoad Aug 2013 #65

If one is tired of being called and labeled an authoritarian, then maybe they should stop quinnox Aug 2013 #66

Or maybe one should stop labeling and namecalling. What is the constructive purpose there? CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #67

lol, well, good luck with that recommendation on a political message board/forum quinnox Aug 2013 #70

Isn't it authoritarian to demand not being tblue Aug 2013 #152

too bad you don't believe in the EFF or the ACLU either Defectata Aug 2013 #68

Sure we do. The ACLU has been on both sides of this issue. They applauded Kennedy for creating FISA stevenleser Aug 2013 #121

There was a post here the other day that was filled with fear-mongering SaveAmerica Aug 2013 #71

Hell to the YEAH! BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #72

you focus on the trees that don't look right in order to deny the existence of the forest.... mike_c Aug 2013 #74

^^ Nailed it. n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #86

This post seems to have some facts TomClash Aug 2013 #75

The OP is misleading Android3.14 Aug 2013 #76

I don't get it TomClash Aug 2013 #82

This is like a conspiracy theory. nt boston bean Aug 2013 #84

I don't necessarily have a problem with you or other's positions... 1awake Aug 2013 #85

This is not a partisan issue. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #87

It seems that the two sides here are really on the same side. gtar100 Aug 2013 #89

I have never accused anyone of being an Authoritarian NSA Apologist. A Simple Game Aug 2013 #95

You're tired of being called names? ljm2002 Aug 2013 #96

Nice post! Puglover Aug 2013 #109

^^^^^this^^^^^^ azurnoir Aug 2013 #111

"I think"!!?!??! How bout some facts? uponit7771 Aug 2013 #141

So who is doing it? joshcryer Aug 2013 #143

thank you. + 1000 That was brilliant. I am beyond sick and tired of hearing pro-authoritarians Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #148

Equally sick of Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #164

so name names.. frylock Aug 2013 #165

I think you are lying and you know you are lying, Name one - just one Paulite Libertarian who post Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #167

I think you're lying Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #170

oh give me a break. Everyone here is poitically astute enough to know that wanting to curtail Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #174

then why have you tried so hard to earn the designation? stupidicus Aug 2013 #103

You forgot "half-bright personality cultist who can't read a map" LeftyMom Aug 2013 #107

Great post, KittyWampus. Thanks! n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #112

You had me at RATFUCKER! Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #114

K&R n/t michigandem58 Aug 2013 #116

That's ok, people are concerned about preserving felix_numinous Aug 2013 #117

Amen! If not for us, there'd be no one tblue Aug 2013 #146

So you Just want to be left to holler ratfucker, racist, Paulbot, Libertarian, "hair on fire", TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #119

Why is this traumatic to you? MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #123

Like the debt, it only becomes a problem when the brown guy does it. 6000eliot Aug 2013 #127

I think that Jamaal510 Aug 2013 #137

Then change your tone. Go read the heading on your post about Miranda having docs cui bono Aug 2013 #138

********AMEN************** uponit7771 Aug 2013 #140

Got a link to the poll? I'll put it in my sig. joshcryer Aug 2013 #142

Then quit being one. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #149

If you are sick of being called names Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #154

Cry me some crocodile tears. Pholus Aug 2013 #155

If Romney was in office would your opinion be different on the NSA revelations? Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #160

K&R Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #162

Your not? Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #163

Stop being one then. n/t Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #166

When a poster's first reaction to every story is, morningfog Aug 2013 #168

Pejoratives tend to illustrate the lack of character... LanternWaste Aug 2013 #169

Just my opinion but people calling you a "Authoritarian NSA Apologist" are being to nice for Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #173

That's not right. I like to call you The Cartographer. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #175

What was it you called me... 'reactionary shrieking ratfucker', or something to that effect. Marr Aug 2013 #177

Greenwald works for the PTB. Californeeway Aug 2013 #178

RW cons have the same "black/white dichotomy" requirement.. DCBob Aug 2013 #179

It's because of these folks and their "liberal" affiliates. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #180