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In reply to the discussion: So Miranda Was Carrying Stolen, Classified Material. How SHOCKING He Was Detained. [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)136. British beefeaters don't wan't to get into it with Brazil. Trade makes strange bedfellows.
Last edited Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:39 PM - Edit history (1)

Brazilian beef barons claim to be protecting Paraguay's Indian lands by turning them into ranches. Photograph: Antonio Scorza/AFP/Getty Images
Brazil is the world's biggest exporter of beef.
Huge areas of semi-forested grasslands are being cleared to make way for cattle pastures to feed the global love of cattle meat. And Britain is one of the biggest importers:
The price of cheap beef: disease, deforestation, slavery and murder
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/oct/18/bse.foodanddrink
Now, under greater scrutiny at home for their environmental and humanitarian sins, Brazilian beef barons are buying up land across the border in Paraguay and bulldozing traditional Indian lands there. But, hey, it's all right, they say. Because, in among the ranches, they are creating nature reserves.
Are the ranchers going green or engaging in flagrant greenwash to preserve their place on your plate? Now one company has been accused of invading the land of one of the few surviving tribal groups that are uncontacted by the outside world, and setting aside part of it for nature. And it has lined up the unlikely figure of Charlie Chaplin in its defence, bizarrely saying British-born "Chaplin would be turning in his grave in shame" at the accusations from his "countrymen" at Survival International, which has its headquarters in the UK.
More at the link:
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/cif-green/2010/jan/28/brazilian-beef-greenwash/print
The USA, Russia and many nations are competing for Brazil's bounty with little regard to the results. The demands of population lead to backroom deals most of the public doesn't want to see, so they can pretend innocence, then assail their 'immoral' government.
Just as they demand their gadgets, cars, fuel, electricity right to send their sewage in the river and then scream government and corporate greed and how *they* are causing ecological disaster. Yes, I've been guilty of it too. But I'm jaded by the clueless self-righteousness tossed out in the world and blaming. For me, the solution is changing things, not focusing on the evil of whatever.
Possibly Assange's sabbatical in Ecuador's embassy has implications for trade for their goods. But Ecuador is nowhere near the economic powerhouse that Brazil has become by ruthlessly exploiting its resources and doing things many liberals consider repugnant. Yet we act as if this is going on as a secret. There is no secrecy. We use the resources of what we've deigned to call the third world, reinforcing their relationship to our first world lives and ignore principles.
Brazil, like it or not, has a lot of pull internationally and will call the shots on this. It's not like Britain or anyone else is going to bomb their food supply, are they?
As long as it's cheap, we're all best buddies. IMHO, there is a lot allegedly going on behind the scenes that we create ourselves.
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So Miranda Was Carrying Stolen, Classified Material. How SHOCKING He Was Detained. [View all]
KittyWampus
Aug 2013
OP
You seem obsessed with maps, what a strange non sequitor. I post something relevant
KittyWampus
Aug 2013
#9
I don't see anywhere where it states there were stolen documents being transported. nt
Mojorabbit
Aug 2013
#28
Egnever was pretty clear and dead on. The fact that some here appear to have misunderstood that very
Number23
Aug 2013
#207
Could be files containing legal argument -- discussions of the law on surveillance, on terrorism,
JDPriestly
Aug 2013
#137
Every other sentence said "Greenwald said". Except for the one important sentence.
Bonobo
Aug 2013
#50
The point is hat we have an unsubstantiated claim and I don't see what is wrong with me
Bonobo
Aug 2013
#89
Why do I keep seeing people saying "sending his loved one" as if Miranda isn't an adult?
cui bono
Aug 2013
#127
Perhaps you should post a TRUTHFUL OP to counter the lies. This OP should be deleted by the mods
chimpymustgo
Aug 2013
#157
What if he didn't want his next story to be scooped or revealed before he was ready?
Bonobo
Aug 2013
#94
Then why on Earth do you think Greenwald told the reporter there were stolen docs on there? nt
Bonobo
Aug 2013
#81
#25 below seems to explain this. They confiscated the thumb drives but probably are working on
stevenleser
Aug 2013
#182
They have his electronics, it's not hard to place something on it in order
NorthCarolina
Aug 2013
#183
If he was potentially guilty of ANYTHING, he would not have been released.
Waiting For Everyman
Aug 2013
#110
As a criminal defense attorney, I can tell you that many of my clients thought that very
msanthrope
Aug 2013
#158
Oh, I've never had a client convicted of a terrorism charge, and very few actually went to trial on
msanthrope
Aug 2013
#165
That's very likely becaiuse you' ve never had a client charged with terrorism
DisgustipatedinCA
Aug 2013
#195
Oh, I have.....you'd be surprised how many DAs think adding on a terrorism count or
msanthrope
Aug 2013
#196
Former print journalist here: really piss-poor copy editing at the NYTimes is what I
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#168
So he was arrested for theft, then. Thanks for link, this is the first I heard of this. DU rocks!
freshwest
Aug 2013
#104
Yeah, that one was just lying there. I wouldn't have been able to resist it, either!
freshwest
Aug 2013
#204
Doesn't bother me. I hope he smuggled the rest of the stolen documents back to Brazil in his shorts
limpyhobbler
Aug 2013
#29
Was British airport security tipped off by the DEA or the IRS through NSA surveillance?
OnyxCollie
Aug 2013
#93
When they recover the stolen material and the person has nothing else they need?
sweetloukillbot
Aug 2013
#123
British beefeaters don't wan't to get into it with Brazil. Trade makes strange bedfellows.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#136
Why do you post this in a tone that sounds like you are just looking for a way to condemn GG?
cui bono
Aug 2013
#128
No, what's shocking is how fucking abusive and incompetent these two governments are.
Hissyspit
Aug 2013
#147
I hope Brazil surrounds the British embassy in Brasilia, declares all its UK personnel
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#175
Not necessarily. I've had clients think that because they were released from their primary contact
msanthrope
Aug 2013
#181
I've been laughing since I read this yesterday. Seriously? He sent his partner***
msanthrope
Aug 2013
#159
I'm reserving my laughter for when your spouse or partner is detained without
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#173
I've never sent my husband to do my job, but if I did expect my husband to courier documents stolen
msanthrope
Aug 2013
#176
Compassion and outrage dependent on hero status here, I guess. It's the internet...
freshwest
Aug 2013
#200