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(56,582 posts) Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:28 AM Aug 2013

Is it a "personal attack" to claim GG's reporting has been sloppy and/or hyperbolic? [View all]

I'm used to the tactic from the right wing of calling criticisms of someone's writings or speech a "personal attack"; I'm not quite as used to it from our side.

Take the Miranda fiasco. It was a stupid and abusive move for the UK to detain him. But Greenwald reported it as if the purpose was to intimidate Greenwald rather than to get the data Miranda was carrying. That's sloppy and/or hyperbolic. Is that a "personal attack" on my part to say so?

That's been my complaint this whole time. GG has a very important and meaty story. And he keeps doing a bad job reporting it.

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Is it a "personal attack" to claim GG's reporting has been sloppy and/or hyperbolic? [View all] Recursion Aug 2013 OP

AMEN!! I just posted about this seconds ago! That the number of ad hominems retorts from SnowGlen uponit7771 Aug 2013 #1

I don't think so. nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #2

no. it's not. at least not in my book. cali Aug 2013 #3

That is true, Cali. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #17

I suspect the story isn't as "important and meaty" Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #4

Well, I meant the whole thing since June Recursion Aug 2013 #5

There you go again: Hissyspit Aug 2013 #9

"This was obviously designed to send a message of intimidation to those of us Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #10

nitpicking to the Nth degree Swagman Aug 2013 #12

What this is about Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #13

Exactly! Andy823 Aug 2013 #81

He was in possession of stolen material. randome Aug 2013 #14

If he were in possession of stolen property , Rumold Aug 2013 #19

Optics matter. Politics matter. randome Aug 2013 #23

Baseless guesses. I thought you waited for facts? morningfog Aug 2013 #26

At least I'm upfront about guessing. randome Aug 2013 #35

You jump all over posters' guessing when your guess differs. morningfog Aug 2013 #37

My guess - only a guess Rumold Aug 2013 #27

You don't know that. Neither do I. randome Aug 2013 #36

Why do you think that? Do you think law enforcement immediately charges msanthrope Aug 2013 #47

Greenwald admitted that Miranda had docs that were stolen by Snowden. nt uhnope Aug 2013 #79

please provide a link to that information grasswire Aug 2013 #83

whaaat? What debunked? you provide that link. here's mine uhnope Aug 2013 #84

you provided the link for me. grasswire Aug 2013 #86

that's ridiculous. to call that "debunked" is outright falsehood. Church of Snowden-Greenwald... uhnope Aug 2013 #88

No, it's not the same dif. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #16

Miranda's airfare was paid for by the GUARDIAN....GG may have gotten them to put his partner on the MADem Aug 2013 #22

I wouldn't really worry about it. Rex Aug 2013 #6

Nope. What you've said here is the truth, fella. eom. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #7

Some are attacking him ad hominem tblue Aug 2013 #8

No. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #11

Thank you. JNelson6563 Aug 2013 #15

+1 iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #20

Greenwald was a dickish Democrat-hater back when he wrote for Salon.com Kolesar Aug 2013 #31

I remember that. That's when I started to dislike him. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #60

I agree. HappyMe Aug 2013 #44

+1 Hekate Aug 2013 #66

No. Watch Thomas Drake talk about tsuki Aug 2013 #18

Of course not. It has been sloppy AND hyperbolic. It's a factual observation. MADem Aug 2013 #21

That's ridiculous. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #29

That's your opinion. I happen to disagree with it. nt MADem Aug 2013 #34

No one needs to look up ad Hominem policy to know that his reporting pnwmom Aug 2013 #59

Nothing to do with what I was talking about. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #61

Actually, that's exactly what a personal attack is Orrex Aug 2013 #38

Sorry, I do not agree at ALL--you can only "personally" attack a person with whom you're conversing. MADem Aug 2013 #42

The difference appears to be on the definition of "personal" Orrex Aug 2013 #45

You can call someone an asshole, and it can be an observation--nothing "personal." MADem Aug 2013 #48

It's a personal attack whether or not the person is wounded Orrex Aug 2013 #49

Sorry--you will never get me to agree. Ever. An attack requires that the person being attacked MADem Aug 2013 #51

You are free to remain incorrect. Orrex Aug 2013 #55

No sale -- your "personal declaration" just does not translate to fact. MADem Aug 2013 #64

I agree--it's not complicated at all Orrex Aug 2013 #67

Your little blue link is blatantly disingenuous. MADem Aug 2013 #69

So if I were to observe that someone is a jackass who can't read... Orrex Aug 2013 #71

You'd better be able to back it up. MADem Aug 2013 #72

All indications suggest that I have nothing to worry about in either regard. Orrex Aug 2013 #74

How nice for you that you think that. nt MADem Aug 2013 #75

So it's fair to say Obama has never been attacked here. nt Union Scribe Aug 2013 #70

Not "personally." He's been excoriated, raked over the coals, dissed, but not MADem Aug 2013 #73

Look up ad Hominem fallacy. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #62

You're a bit late to the fair. I know what it means, and it doesn't mean "personal attack." MADem Aug 2013 #65

Two questions for you about your concept of "attack" Jim Lane Aug 2013 #54

I didn't see Kolsar use the word "personal" in his sentence, did you? MADem Aug 2013 #56

Political candidates are a separate issue. Jim Lane Aug 2013 #91

Any public figure; anyone "in the news" is fair game. MADem Aug 2013 #92

nope. n.t iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #24

No. Skidmore Aug 2013 #25

I wouldn't think so. Greenwald is definitely morningfog Aug 2013 #28

Nothing wrong with opinion unless it's stated as fact... last1standing Aug 2013 #30

It doesn't matter really if they held Miranda 1awake Aug 2013 #32

When it's used as misdirection Bradical79 Aug 2013 #33

What has been sloppy about Greenwald's reporting? This OP is SLOPPY AND HYPERBOLIC. chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #39

Trying to launder stolen documents through the U.K. is kind of a big deal. And a crime. randome Aug 2013 #40

And yet, he somehow slipped through their hands. After they released him. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #58

three untruths in one post! grasswire Aug 2013 #85

Nope, not a personal attack at all. It's the truth...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #41

a lot of it is personal, but not about Greenwald Enrique Aug 2013 #43

Not at all Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #46

That's the problem these days. Whistleblowers and truth seekers with no style. Now if... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #50

Only if you don't back it up with links to "sloppy and/or Hyperbolic" reports. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #52

Depends on how the claims are used. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #53

I wouldn't call it a "personal attack". I'd call that claim wrong. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #57

No, and hell NO. I don't trust greenwald. And, I'm not the only one.. Cha Aug 2013 #63

No you are not the only one. Andy823 Aug 2013 #82

Oh yeah, Snowden's family is not worried for nothing, Andy. Cha Aug 2013 #87

No, it's just a lie. alarimer Aug 2013 #68

Indeed n/t Oilwellian Aug 2013 #76

No, it's not. Anything GG writes should always be viewed skeptically and taken with a grain or even OregonBlue Aug 2013 #77

No it's not personal to show he's not professional, not honest and is motivated by uhnope Aug 2013 #78

GG has degraded his integrity with his reporting and now I do not believe him, it has also Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #80

I'll K&R this, or, as it will be said, "Predictable" n/t UTUSN Aug 2013 #89

No, but his fans seem to think he should be immune from criticism treestar Aug 2013 #90

Your post would be more accurate if "he" meant Obama. Jim Lane Aug 2013 #93