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JDPriestly

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21. Let's read the crucial paragraph carefully.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:40 AM
Aug 2013

Mr. Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr. Greenwald’s investigation into government surveillance to Ms. Poitras, Mr. Greenwald said. Ms. Poitras, in turn, gave Mr. Miranda different documents to pass to Mr. Greenwald. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr. Greenwald said. All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden. The British authorities seized all of his electronic media — including video games, DVDs and data storage devices — and did not return them, Mr. Greenwald said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/19/world/europe/britain-detains-partner-of-reporter-tied-to-leaks.html?_r=2&

Miranda went to Berlin. He delivered "documents related to Mr. Greenwald's investigation into government surveillance to Ms. Poitras." That's pretty clear but those are not necessarily the documents that Miranda had at the time he was stopped in London since he was delivering those documents to Poitras in Berlin.

"Ms. Poitras, in turn, gave Mr. Miranda different documents to pass to Mr. Greenwald. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr. Greenwald said." So, Miranda returned with a different set of documents from Poitras for Greenwald. They were the documents that were encrypted and stored on documents, and it was those documents that were confiscated. We do not know what was on them, but the article says they were not the documents that Snowden gave to Greenwald since they originated with Poitras, not with Greenwald.

Then the author of the article, in an unattributed sentence asserts that "All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden." The journalist does not explain who told him that or how he knows it, and he does not identify what trove of materials are being discussed. It could be video of Snowden to be transmitted to Snowden's family or attorneys. It could be the surveillance-related documents. Those documents could be Snowden's last will and testament. We do not know. We will have to wait and see.

Those who have advised waiting for facts should read this cautiously and not jump to conclusions. That they are the documents that Snowden collected at Booz and Allen is possible, but it is also possible that they are not those documents.

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Holy crap he nailed it. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #1
This is good news that Juan Cole is speaking out and snappyturtle Aug 2013 #2
+1 Marr Aug 2013 #3
Detaining someone for a few hours is fairly thin gruel for dictatorships go struggle4progress Aug 2013 #4
Round up thousands in a soccer stadium BainsBane Aug 2013 #5
BULLLLLLLLLLLLLL SHIT!! Greenwald ADMITTED to his partner carrying Snowden docs!! uponit7771 Aug 2013 #6
I read the article you cited twice and no where did I read JDPriestly Aug 2013 #7
correct link and quote ... middle of page uponit7771 Aug 2013 #9
Let's read the crucial paragraph carefully. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #21
You are asking the sharks to leave the chum alone? Rex Aug 2013 #22
Good catch on the quote, I'll amend for now but not the bullshit substance of his partner meeting uponit7771 Aug 2013 #23
So you're happy with authoritarian governments harassing people? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #24
Yeah that part was put in by the paper, as you can see. Rex Aug 2013 #13
correct link posted BEFORE this reply, you could've looked yourself but... you get it?! uponit7771 Aug 2013 #18
Sorry if pointing out the obvious angers you so much. Rex Aug 2013 #19
Obvious = time of post your reply :-) uponit7771 Aug 2013 #20
Juan Cole! Under the bus with you!!! Rex Aug 2013 #8
No, just don't pay attention to people who don't pay attention...don't need to throw them uponit7771 Aug 2013 #10
You just broke the irony meter. Rex Aug 2013 #11
...and the ad hominems flow uponit7771 Aug 2013 #12
Not at all. Rex Aug 2013 #14
You just broke my irony meter = ad hominem response that's uncalled for but I and A LOT Of other... uponit7771 Aug 2013 #15
Of course you are. Rex Aug 2013 #16
Your last statement is false on its face, but fuck facts...who needs em eh?! uponit7771 Aug 2013 #17
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