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Skidmore

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Mon Aug 19, 2013, 06:39 AM

Aug 2013

It is not. Greenwald has earned that type of criticism and everyone has a right to their opinion as to the allegations he makes and the manner in which he presents them.

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Is it a "personal attack" to claim GG's reporting has been sloppy and/or hyperbolic? [View all] Recursion Aug 2013 OP

AMEN!! I just posted about this seconds ago! That the number of ad hominems retorts from SnowGlen uponit7771 Aug 2013 #1

I don't think so. nt Bonobo Aug 2013 #2

no. it's not. at least not in my book. cali Aug 2013 #3

That is true, Cali. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #17

I suspect the story isn't as "important and meaty" Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #4

Well, I meant the whole thing since June Recursion Aug 2013 #5

There you go again: Hissyspit Aug 2013 #9

"This was obviously designed to send a message of intimidation to those of us Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #10

nitpicking to the Nth degree Swagman Aug 2013 #12

What this is about Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #13

Exactly! Andy823 Aug 2013 #81

He was in possession of stolen material. randome Aug 2013 #14

If he were in possession of stolen property , Rumold Aug 2013 #19

Optics matter. Politics matter. randome Aug 2013 #23

Baseless guesses. I thought you waited for facts? morningfog Aug 2013 #26

At least I'm upfront about guessing. randome Aug 2013 #35

You jump all over posters' guessing when your guess differs. morningfog Aug 2013 #37

My guess - only a guess Rumold Aug 2013 #27

You don't know that. Neither do I. randome Aug 2013 #36

Why do you think that? Do you think law enforcement immediately charges msanthrope Aug 2013 #47

Greenwald admitted that Miranda had docs that were stolen by Snowden. nt uhnope Aug 2013 #79

please provide a link to that information grasswire Aug 2013 #83

whaaat? What debunked? you provide that link. here's mine uhnope Aug 2013 #84

you provided the link for me. grasswire Aug 2013 #86

that's ridiculous. to call that "debunked" is outright falsehood. Church of Snowden-Greenwald... uhnope Aug 2013 #88

No, it's not the same dif. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #16

Miranda's airfare was paid for by the GUARDIAN....GG may have gotten them to put his partner on the MADem Aug 2013 #22

I wouldn't really worry about it. Rex Aug 2013 #6

Nope. What you've said here is the truth, fella. eom. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #7

Some are attacking him ad hominem tblue Aug 2013 #8

No. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #11

Thank you. JNelson6563 Aug 2013 #15

+1 iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #20

Greenwald was a dickish Democrat-hater back when he wrote for Salon.com Kolesar Aug 2013 #31

I remember that. That's when I started to dislike him. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #60

I agree. HappyMe Aug 2013 #44

+1 Hekate Aug 2013 #66

No. Watch Thomas Drake talk about tsuki Aug 2013 #18

Of course not. It has been sloppy AND hyperbolic. It's a factual observation. MADem Aug 2013 #21

That's ridiculous. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #29

That's your opinion. I happen to disagree with it. nt MADem Aug 2013 #34

No one needs to look up ad Hominem policy to know that his reporting pnwmom Aug 2013 #59

Nothing to do with what I was talking about. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #61

Actually, that's exactly what a personal attack is Orrex Aug 2013 #38

Sorry, I do not agree at ALL--you can only "personally" attack a person with whom you're conversing. MADem Aug 2013 #42

The difference appears to be on the definition of "personal" Orrex Aug 2013 #45

You can call someone an asshole, and it can be an observation--nothing "personal." MADem Aug 2013 #48

It's a personal attack whether or not the person is wounded Orrex Aug 2013 #49

Sorry--you will never get me to agree. Ever. An attack requires that the person being attacked MADem Aug 2013 #51

You are free to remain incorrect. Orrex Aug 2013 #55

No sale -- your "personal declaration" just does not translate to fact. MADem Aug 2013 #64

I agree--it's not complicated at all Orrex Aug 2013 #67

Your little blue link is blatantly disingenuous. MADem Aug 2013 #69

So if I were to observe that someone is a jackass who can't read... Orrex Aug 2013 #71

You'd better be able to back it up. MADem Aug 2013 #72

All indications suggest that I have nothing to worry about in either regard. Orrex Aug 2013 #74

How nice for you that you think that. nt MADem Aug 2013 #75

So it's fair to say Obama has never been attacked here. nt Union Scribe Aug 2013 #70

Not "personally." He's been excoriated, raked over the coals, dissed, but not MADem Aug 2013 #73

Look up ad Hominem fallacy. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #62

You're a bit late to the fair. I know what it means, and it doesn't mean "personal attack." MADem Aug 2013 #65

Two questions for you about your concept of "attack" Jim Lane Aug 2013 #54

I didn't see Kolsar use the word "personal" in his sentence, did you? MADem Aug 2013 #56

Political candidates are a separate issue. Jim Lane Aug 2013 #91

Any public figure; anyone "in the news" is fair game. MADem Aug 2013 #92

nope. n.t iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #24

No. Skidmore Aug 2013 #25

I wouldn't think so. Greenwald is definitely morningfog Aug 2013 #28

Nothing wrong with opinion unless it's stated as fact... last1standing Aug 2013 #30

It doesn't matter really if they held Miranda 1awake Aug 2013 #32

When it's used as misdirection Bradical79 Aug 2013 #33

What has been sloppy about Greenwald's reporting? This OP is SLOPPY AND HYPERBOLIC. chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #39

Trying to launder stolen documents through the U.K. is kind of a big deal. And a crime. randome Aug 2013 #40

And yet, he somehow slipped through their hands. After they released him. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #58

three untruths in one post! grasswire Aug 2013 #85

Nope, not a personal attack at all. It's the truth...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #41

a lot of it is personal, but not about Greenwald Enrique Aug 2013 #43

Not at all Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #46

That's the problem these days. Whistleblowers and truth seekers with no style. Now if... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #50

Only if you don't back it up with links to "sloppy and/or Hyperbolic" reports. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #52

Depends on how the claims are used. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #53

I wouldn't call it a "personal attack". I'd call that claim wrong. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #57

No, and hell NO. I don't trust greenwald. And, I'm not the only one.. Cha Aug 2013 #63

No you are not the only one. Andy823 Aug 2013 #82

Oh yeah, Snowden's family is not worried for nothing, Andy. Cha Aug 2013 #87

No, it's just a lie. alarimer Aug 2013 #68

Indeed n/t Oilwellian Aug 2013 #76

No, it's not. Anything GG writes should always be viewed skeptically and taken with a grain or even OregonBlue Aug 2013 #77

No it's not personal to show he's not professional, not honest and is motivated by uhnope Aug 2013 #78

GG has degraded his integrity with his reporting and now I do not believe him, it has also Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #80

I'll K&R this, or, as it will be said, "Predictable" n/t UTUSN Aug 2013 #89

No, but his fans seem to think he should be immune from criticism treestar Aug 2013 #90

Your post would be more accurate if "he" meant Obama. Jim Lane Aug 2013 #93