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NCTraveler

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29. He is clearly a traitor in any way you try to define the word.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 12:53 PM
Aug 2013

I am also not in a rage at what he did. The conversation he has started can only benefit us. I have a serious problem with the governments actions in many areas, including this one.

I was just pointing out that you inferred things about the other poster that weren't there. A leap in assumption over a pretty large canyon.

"If he had not shared with foreign countries, how would we have found out what was being done to us?"
There are so many ways to answer that I would not know where to start. His options were in no way binary. Not even close.

I think that we agree on the most important aspects. What Snowden has done is start what could be one of the most important conversations of our time with respect to the US government and its citizens. The US government is currently overstepping its bounds if the people of said country are to be considered to be free. The US government is currently running a program that runs amuck of the fourth amendment, doing so in a manner where individuals cannot prove harm by the program, therefore stopping any legal action against the program in an attempt to prove its unconstitutionality. Almost as if it were set up that way by design(light hearted humor).

Actually I don't think there's much of a disagreement on policy Recursion Aug 2013 #1
+1 joshcryer Aug 2013 #5
We have DUers who are happy that Miranda was detained muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #6
The bigger division is on Snowden and Greenwald liberal N proud Aug 2013 #2
Exactly. nt brer cat Aug 2013 #7
That's where I am. justiceischeap Aug 2013 #8
I agree. HappyMe Aug 2013 #11
I have a real problem following your illogical logic. RC Aug 2013 #13
Big difference in... NCTraveler Aug 2013 #16
If he had not shared with foreign countries, how would we have found out what was being done to us? RC Aug 2013 #20
He is clearly a traitor in any way you try to define the word. NCTraveler Aug 2013 #29
Maybe you should read the Constitution. former9thward Aug 2013 #38
Please read my post if you are going to respond. NCTraveler Aug 2013 #40
A traitor is a person. former9thward Aug 2013 #42
That is not in any way inclusive. That is obvious. nt. NCTraveler Aug 2013 #43
Thanks for the insult. Appreciate it. justiceischeap Aug 2013 #23
My opinion stands. RC Aug 2013 #37
Your position is very close to mine. stevenleser Aug 2013 #18
So who IS a hero on the NSA spying issue? KurtNYC Aug 2013 #19
My money is on Sen. Al Franken. I like his deliberate approach to this issue. I like his bill. stevenleser Aug 2013 #22
Combine this with Blumenthal and Leahy's FISA court reform. Dawson Leery Aug 2013 #35
Why does there need to be a hero at all? justiceischeap Aug 2013 #28
You criticize someone for not being a hero then you say the term "hero" is worthless. KurtNYC Aug 2013 #31
I'm not stumped at all justiceischeap Aug 2013 #34
I agree with this. one_voice Aug 2013 #21
+1 LadyHawkAZ Aug 2013 #39
That's a good point. Kber Aug 2013 #9
Exactly. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #27
I don't bother with the Greatest page. I've never been into popularity... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #3
Ditto. City Lights Aug 2013 #26
no joshcryer Aug 2013 #4
Some DUers just like facts. Others DUers dislike facts. RC Aug 2013 #14
Based on how this board is now Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #10
It doesn't matter. dawg Aug 2013 #12
If we had a President Romney we would have unity on the issue. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #15
The pro-NSA spying contingent has always been tiny and vastly outnumbered quinnox Aug 2013 #17
No, there are many Democrats, and there are a few woo me with science Aug 2013 #24
Almost ALL of us want the NSA Reigned In. Only SOME of us react to Greenwald's distortions KittyWampus Aug 2013 #25
I agree. HappyMe Aug 2013 #32
Agreed. Dawson Leery Aug 2013 #33
Yes, I believe it is nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #30
This is nothing compared to the "Open or Not Open A Door for a Woman" Battle of 2012 Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #36
I think there's a dozen or so posters who call those who disagree with them.... LanternWaste Aug 2013 #41
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