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JDPriestly

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68. Thank you.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:54 PM
Aug 2013

As soon as the Patriot Act was available to read, I sat with a group of people who should have known. They were all enthusiastic. I was the only one who pointed out that the definition of terrorism, especially domestic terrorism, was vague and overly broad.

This is a major problem. How can anyone read that definition and not immediately see it has problems. It is so ambiguous as to be meaningless.

18 USC § 2331 - Definitions

5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2331

OK. Driving while drunk is against the law and dangerous to human life. From then on, it all depends on the intention of the person committing the act. I can think of some pretty stupid scenarios that could qualify a person for a harrowing experience as a defendant in a terrorism case. Yet the man who shot Gabby Giffords was not tried as a terrorist. He may have been insane, but he had to know that he was shooting a member of Congress.

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Excellent compendium, thanks! nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #1
Yeah but other than that, he's got nothing. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #70
As a paying member of EFF & Food and Water Watch... I'll soon be labeled a Domestic Terrorist. nt TheBlackAdder Aug 2013 #2
I suggest you remove all boxes from your garage before the government sees them DJ13 Aug 2013 #5
Exactly. Some of the short-sighted NSA cheerleaders need to take the long view. Who will be deemed chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #16
Exactly, it is all relative to whom TPTB are at any point in time, many can't seem to RKP5637 Aug 2013 #44
Bookmarked. Thank you. Autumn Aug 2013 #3
I'm calling for an official definition of terrorist. mick063 Aug 2013 #4
"Anyone not part of the surveillance state and financial elite." That should do it. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #6
IOW: The Bush Family Evil Empire. Octafish Aug 2013 #8
Everyone should read Octafish's linked thread directly above. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #9
K&R! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2013 #45
You've got to be kidding? caseymoz Aug 2013 #66
Thank you. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #68
It's probably irretrievably confused at this point. DirkGently Aug 2013 #71
Kicked. Bookmarked. Recommended. Octafish Aug 2013 #7
Thanks. I've followed your work for years. It's nice to be able to contribute. nt GliderGuider Aug 2013 #10
well done G_j Aug 2013 #11
HA! My first thought was Roundup the weed spray! Rex Aug 2013 #12
Great list and supporting links. Thank you! n/t hootinholler Aug 2013 #13
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WHY WASN'T THIS AN ISSUE IN 2006? pansypoo53219 Aug 2013 #21
Well, Bushco got the New York Times to spike the story in 2004. Octafish Aug 2013 #25
Because neither Tice nor Snowden had spoken out. This was not headline news until they did. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #69
K&R! Bookmarked. nt NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #22
k & frigging r! n/t wildbilln864 Aug 2013 #23
Can anyone definitively answer these questions? Valhallakey Aug 2013 #24
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England has tempora.we pay them to spy on us?!?! easychoice Aug 2013 #27
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Even a blind pig finds an acorn now and again... nt GliderGuider Aug 2013 #30
Bullshit. Octafish Aug 2013 #34
I swear, Octafiah, tblue Aug 2013 #39
Thanks, tblue. It is weird, the news gets pasted and used... Octafish Aug 2013 #41
No worries. tblue Aug 2013 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Aug 2013 #73
Can we afford to live with the intent of the 4th amendment in the age of terror? Valhallakey Aug 2013 #31
Of course we can (you answered your own question!). We have a right to privacy. Probable cause chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #48
And this was published before the David Miranda story broke. GliderGuider Aug 2013 #32
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Bookmarking. You Rock. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #42
but this comes from a well-known conspiracy site NoMoreWarNow Aug 2013 #43
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Nasty business, the growing list is ugly, and the govt. response to the leaks is pathetic; Trust us! Civilization2 Aug 2013 #49
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I guess we should shut it down think_critically Aug 2013 #51
Is This Their Line? On the Road Aug 2013 #52
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Great post. And don't forget that, though it isn't the most important consideration, we are paying Squinch Aug 2013 #55
Holy Shit! That is some list. JEB Aug 2013 #56
Thanks for posting this Hydra Aug 2013 #57
Kind of a hodge-podge of fact/opinion/bullshit Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #58
Oh, *that* kind of bullshit. GliderGuider Aug 2013 #59
Former Stasi Officer: The NSA Domestic Surveillance Program Would Have Been 'A Dream Come True' frylock Aug 2013 #60
I saw the piece Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #61
So what's your point? Prosecute Snowden and Greenwald and pretend this rhett o rick Aug 2013 #72
My point was this story is strong enough to stand Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #75
If you think there is too much hyperbole, then rewrite it yourself without the hyperbole. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #76
This is News????????? Cryptoad Aug 2013 #62
But...but...but TM99 Aug 2013 #63
"the only way to fix things is to fire all of the corrupt government officials who let it happen"!!! AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #64
K&R. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #65
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