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43. Nobody with a brain

Reply to Vinnie From Indy (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:02 PM

Aug 2013

at this point, doubts that the NSA knows exactly what Snowden has. What they do know he has, apparently, has them changing pants every five minutes after they realize the latest implications of what he has.

Why they don't try to get out in front of the story is anyone's guess. I suppose it is because it is so bad that getting in front of it instead of finding ways to knock Snowden/Greenwald/Poitras/anyone they care about is going to make it all explode like a match to a gasoline spill.

Which that also doesn't look good for government(s), but they move at the speed of a snail.

And that is also part of the problem. Too many ancient bureaucrats that should have either been put out to pasture or outright fired long ago.

Some people need to get fired, starting with Alexander and Clapper, but don't stop there. Can their staff, too. and then really get rolling at the Pentagon.

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If the NSA Humpers are correct about Miranda, the NSA is even more incompetent than I thought [View all] Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 OP

DURec for 'NSA humpers' alone leftstreet Aug 2013 #1

Another +1 here. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #3

ditto, +1 quinnox Aug 2013 #4

+1000 GoneFishin Aug 2013 #6

+1001. closeupready Aug 2013 #13

+1002 forestpath Aug 2013 #27

Maybe. Or they are paranoid he may have something worse, but are unsure, and desperate to find out. GoneFishin Aug 2013 #2

Interesting questions. Autumn Aug 2013 #5

NSA Humpers? How about Greenwald Fluffers? Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #7

I think the Greenwald Fluffers were replaced by the Assange Felchers jberryhill Aug 2013 #28

The kids are coming up with new games in the sandbox. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #54

technicality grasswire Aug 2013 #8

Yes. Quite unlikely, I would think, he would say that. bemildred Aug 2013 #14

watch out or you will be accused of being an agent of the Chinese government nt msongs Aug 2013 #9

Must we insult each other? nt ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #10

NSA HUMPERS? LOL. You must be in the anger stage of grief. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #11

LOL - "NSA Humpers" - thanks for the laugh - closeupready Aug 2013 #12

Is it possible they knew exactly what Miranda had, and they detained him in order to get it back? arcane1 Aug 2013 #15

That would make sense if they assumed that Miranda, Snowden et al Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #17

If they knew what Miranda had, and that he had it, why wait 'til the airport to get it back? n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #20

Is it possible that if he had what they wanted, that they would have charged him notadmblnd Aug 2013 #26

No. GliderGuider Aug 2013 #56

The Liberthoritarians are making a list of NSA Humpers as we type. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #16

Did your brain hurt as you typed "Liberthoritarians"? That's chock full of cognitive dissonance. nt Electric Monk Aug 2013 #19

Saw Commie Libertarian earlier Hydra Aug 2013 #23

The concept of Republican Libertarians is chuck full of cognitive dissonance pnwmom Aug 2013 #25

I figure as long as were playing the name game ... JoePhilly Aug 2013 #55

That pretty much puts a huge hole Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #18

At CYA and damage control they're rather pathetic and hamhanded. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #21

Here is a possibility: they did not detain him for NSA files but hoping they would find files JDPriestly Aug 2013 #22

Excellent comment and prob right. I still don't think they have any idea what Snowden has Catherina Aug 2013 #24

That was what I was figuring too. JoeyT Aug 2013 #50

You convert nobody by disrespecting them so severely with terms like "humpers". nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #29

He gets stimulation from the responses Kolesar Aug 2013 #30

I hope so! Well presented points of view and humor is a snappyturtle Aug 2013 #32

I spend most of my time working or reading about money Kolesar Aug 2013 #35

You definitely need a good laugh...it's the best medicine. snappyturtle Aug 2013 #41

Convert? Defenders of this shit are beyond help. morningfog Aug 2013 #57

And those who are keeping open minds are not persuaded by such language. nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #59

I'm in my small studio, alone, and this is the funniest snappyturtle Aug 2013 #31

"... Mr. Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr. Greenwald�s investigation struggle4progress Aug 2013 #33

Is that terrorism? morningfog Aug 2013 #58

I'll have to defer to experts on UK law regarding the actual scope of Schedule 7 struggle4progress Aug 2013 #61

You have no opinion on the use of anti terrorism laws morningfog Aug 2013 #62

(1) "Snowden has enough information to cause harm to the U.S. government in a single minute than any struggle4progress Aug 2013 #68

(2) ... Mr. Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr. Greenwald�s investigation struggle4progress Aug 2013 #69

(3) ... Greenwald ... said ... �I have many documents about England�s espionage system ..." ... struggle4progress Aug 2013 #70

(4) I do not feel competent to discuss interpretation or scope of Schedule 7 struggle4progress Aug 2013 #71

(5) ... UK police can stop, examine and search passengers at ports, airports and international rail struggle4progress Aug 2013 #72

(6) Terrorism Act 2000 definitions of "terrorism" seem to include "the use or threat of action ... struggle4progress Aug 2013 #73

(7) Discussion. Some of Greenwald's remarks (e.g. #68) may be construed as threats; Snowden's struggle4progress Aug 2013 #74

The standard for searching international travelers may often be somewhat lower struggle4progress Aug 2013 #34

This is what gets me. Hundreds of people were probably in snappyturtle Aug 2013 #39

You will have to ask those who detained him, if you want a definitive answer. But perhaps struggle4progress Aug 2013 #40

I see your point...thank you. But....how did random airport snappyturtle Aug 2013 #42

There's extensive passenger screening in some airports and for some flights after 9/11: struggle4progress Aug 2013 #44

Until we know for certain that screening you mentioned snappyturtle Aug 2013 #45

Well, you may want to look up the Passenger Name Record Agreement that the EU agreed to in 2012, struggle4progress Aug 2013 #47

Thank you. nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #48

WOW! Thank you. I knew zip about this agreement. It explains how the U.S. snappyturtle Aug 2013 #49

Do you have a copy of Schedule 7? It's possible, for example, that both (1) the public justification struggle4progress Aug 2013 #36

Miranda was detained by UK authorities in the UK, not by US authorities struggle4progress Aug 2013 #37

Snowden obtained his documents via a private contractor, so his acts do not necessarily struggle4progress Aug 2013 #38

Nobody with a brain Aerows Aug 2013 #43

My guess would be that JoeyT Aug 2013 #51

why dont teabaggers deserve to be put out to pasture? sigmasix Aug 2013 #53

The NSA is not in the UK. nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #46

Actually, that is not so. They are in the UK. MineralMan Aug 2013 #60

Actually it is so, Menwith Hill is a RAF airbase Progressive dog Aug 2013 #63

The NSA has personnel there, too. MineralMan Aug 2013 #64

NSA doesn't run the airport, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #67

snowden stole secrets he is a,traitor Dustin DeWinde Aug 2013 #52

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2013 #65

I'm not convinced that they do know what Greenwald has - TBF Aug 2013 #66

A commentator nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #75