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MyshkinCommaPrince

(611 posts)
55. Two big tents
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:06 PM
Aug 2013

I guess the poll is making a point, a meta sort of thing, about discussions and attitudes on DU lately. If the point is to protest the idea of litmus tests, I agree. If I've myself missed the point and the poll should be taken seriously, I feel I can't respond to the poll itself.

Given that our system always seems to tend toward two monolithic parties, both parties end up representing a wide range of ideas, goals, and agendas which may not always fit together comfortably. I spoke to an intelligent conservative recently, who felt that their side is the sensible one, because they all share one common goal, whereas our side is a collection of factions with conflicted goals and nothing in common. I think to some extent he may be correct, insofar as the Right has been able to retain its longstanding goal of promoting Capitalism, whereas the Left may have lost some focus with the decline of Marxism. (Note: this poster has only a vague understanding of what he's trying to state.) We're left (as a party) supporting Also-Capitalism, a kinder variation on the same system with regulations and restraints added. Maybe that leaves us a bit less focused and driven on the economic front, where we can't wholly distinguish ourselves from our opposition.

So what unites our side? What is our common goal, ideal, or interest? The conservative to whom I spoke felt that we have nothing, aside from a rejection of the Right. He saw us as the reactionaries, defining ourselves only in contrast with the active, forward-driving goals of the RW. Is that true? Maybe in some areas. I am pro-science, which seems like it should be a non-issue, but the Right bafflingly becomes anti-science and I favor the Democrats because I am against anti-science. Maybe with any set of dualized opposites, you could assert that either side is meaningful only as a reflection of the other. Umm. Maybe it's just a framing issue.

I'm afraid I'm starting to babble. Sorry... lack of sleep. What unites us? What do we have in common? Support of societies run by elected governments rather than corporations and their investors? Support for science and education? A belief that we should make society as kind as possible rather than as mean as possible? A "nurturing parent" rather than a "punishing father" worldview? Something else entirely? Since we self-identify with one big party over the other, we must have some reason to have done so. I wish we would focus on that, whatever it is, and stop fighting with each other.

Editing to note that I am not a Democrat solely because I am pro-science. That was meant to serve as an illustration of my point, but, as noted... I haven't had much sleep the past few days. I may not be fully coherent at the moment. Umm.

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Forgot: Knew Obama was a politician all along/Will destroy everything/anyone for Obama Safetykitten Aug 2013 #1
He also left off: "Free-floating/Generalized hate for President Obama" JoePhilly Aug 2013 #23
That would be under "Gee what a suprise, Obama politician first". Safetykitten Aug 2013 #25
This is a bad poll. Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #2
What's bad about it? nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #3
I am not a single issue voter Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #7
I'm not a single issue voter. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #4
If we only have one issue, antiquie Aug 2013 #5
Well, apparently most of this site feels that there's a giant schism geek tragedy Aug 2013 #6
+1 Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #8
I reject the premise that a litmus test exists. longship Aug 2013 #9
Well stated Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #16
+10 RC Aug 2013 #27
Wow! That's an argument that I've been trying to make here. longship Aug 2013 #32
Sounds good, but whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #34
Authoritarianism is not the same as conservatism. dawg Aug 2013 #10
Some of these are problematic el_bryanto Aug 2013 #11
That's true in any bullet-point summary of an issue. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #13
Can you support those assertions? Show me, please, multiple DUers repeating every Issa talking Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #49
asdf geek tragedy Aug 2013 #50
I beleive in Western-European style social-democracy but I don't believe in Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #12
Other: LWolf Aug 2013 #14
justice is not a policy prescription. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #15
You want more specifics? LWolf Aug 2013 #24
Which definition of neoliberalism are you using? geek tragedy Aug 2013 #28
Here: LWolf Aug 2013 #31
So, it's the Hayek/Randian view of economics, society and governance? geek tragedy Aug 2013 #33
No it's not. LWolf Aug 2013 #61
Reagan Democrats were not neoliberals. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #64
Look at what they support. LWolf Aug 2013 #65
They supported sticking it to disfavored minorities. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #67
I'm not a 1 issue voter. HappyMe Aug 2013 #17
This is a tough one... KansDem Aug 2013 #18
Crap poll Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #19
so, there is no sine qua non of progressivism on that list? nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #20
See #22 and it remains a crap poll Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #30
No option for litmus tests MFrohike Aug 2013 #21
yea, crappy poll quinnox Aug 2013 #22
All of them are good options, but right now I'd choose other: Racial Profiling Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #26
List could easily have been 20 long--GLBT rights, women's rights, trade, etc. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #29
Maybe add "Free Trade" deals like the TPP to this poll. That seems to be a popular litmus test. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #35
trade follows three lines: geek tragedy Aug 2013 #36
Does someone say close the ports? limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #37
Pat Buchanan paleocon isolationists on an ideological basis, geek tragedy Aug 2013 #38
That's not really one of the choices between liberals and progressives limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #39
try following the H1B visa debates here some time. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #40
And yet that's not what you typed. 'Close the ports' you typed. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #42
Oh is that what you meant by close the ports? Sorry I took it literally limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #43
yeah, close the ports as in viewing the outside world as an inherently geek tragedy Aug 2013 #45
Oh. That's not one of the choices between liberals and progressives. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #47
the trick is that both extremes are occupied by rightwingers. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #48
I'm not a one issue voter. I will say authoritarians believe there are 'litmus tests' and lists to Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #41
Good poll! petronius Aug 2013 #44
nudge nudge wink wink nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #46
I don't know. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #51
Here's one limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #52
Good list/questions, geek tragedy Aug 2013 #53
Wall St investments are a great one. raouldukelives Aug 2013 #54
Two big tents MyshkinCommaPrince Aug 2013 #55
Single-issue litmus tests don't tell you much, you need weighted averages. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2013 #56
weighted averages would produce a continuum of scores, thereby militating against the geek tragedy Aug 2013 #57
Don't you understand? You don't get to PICK what the schism is, if one exists. It pops up on its own DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #58
Well, people who are alleging that there's a big old schism should geek tragedy Aug 2013 #59
Litmus tests are a sign of a conservative morality LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #60
The ability to think beyond binary Cerridwen Aug 2013 #62
I'm sorry but I have to join the large contingent of "pass" voters cali Aug 2013 #63
You left out the most important 'test'. 'All of the above'. True Democrats are not single sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #66
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