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In reply to the discussion: Why would anyone be opposed to de-extinction? [View all]Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)76. Untrue, actually
We don't have an environment for them to live in
Even if we assume that "mammoth" means "woolly mammoth" (there are a few other "recent" species contemporary with man) we actually have plenty of woolly mammoth range. They weren't a niche species, and basically spread to whatever environments in the northern hemisphere didn't already have an elephant. Steppe, taiga, deciduous forest, even the subtropical coastal plains of the southern US (they were plains at the time anyway) harbored woolly mammoths. Were it not for the asiatic elephant and the columbian mammoth, they probably would have lived all over Eurasia and the western US as well.
nor the type and amount of fodder for them to eat
Again, these weren't giant pandas. Know what woolly mammoths ate? Plants. Nothing specific, just... plants. If it grew in dirt, they crammed it in their mouths. We know this because we actually have woolly mammoth stomachs full of exactly that. We're not exactly seeing a shortage of alder and sedge grass anywhere.
nor the right type of predator to control their numbers
I'm curious - what predator, exactly, do you think that would be? For a moment, imagine we're talking about a creature that is, as far as we can tell, a hairy analogue to the African elephant... because it is. What eats African elephants? Well, there's some desperate lions in the kalahari who'll occasionally have a go at an elephant, and crocodiles will grab a baby elephant just as they will anything else. The Asiatic elephant's young were apparently occasionally taken by tigers, but that was rare. I think in the case of the woolly mammoth, the only credible predators would have been the Siberian tiger and the short-faced bear... and even both of them would have only targeted opportunistically and were never a serious factor. Essentially the woolly mammoth had no real predator woes. The biggest causes of mortality for them were probably falling into large holes, disease, and fights between bulls. Which makes sense for a species that has a two-year gestation, a five-year weaning, and matures at the age of fifteen.
Mammoths and many other species died out naturally with the end of the ice age.
The end of which ice age? Woolly mammoths (to say nothing of other mammoths) lived through several ice ages. The one they didn't survive was the last glacial retreat... which saw the introduction of a certain tool-using, fire-making primate into mammoth habitat.
These animals arrived specifically to fill a niche the ice age provided and which the planet no longer has.
Given that environments adapted to being gnawed on, trampled by, and shit upon by mammoths still exist, I would have to argue with this notion.
Nature knows what it's doing when it comes to the environment including which species to create or destroy at any given time. Historically, it's humans that keep fucking up what nature never had a problem with.
Like yearly stabbing / crushing to death thousands of slow-growing, long-gestating, highly-social large herbivores, fragmenting their continuity while reducing their numbers and eventually rendering them extinct?
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Terrible use of resources--there are enough species in need of protection. nt
geek tragedy
Aug 2013
#1
The now-extinct species would be an invasive and potentially disruptive one.
geek tragedy
Aug 2013
#24
And who would teach these animals how to eat, and breed, and avoid predators, or
geek tragedy
Aug 2013
#64
You could badly damage an ecosystem by bringing back one animal without bring back its predator.
JVS
Aug 2013
#5
time does not flow backwards. The time and environment they would be coming back to is different,
liberal_at_heart
Aug 2013
#8
Interesting to see a sci-fi writer telling people to be afraid of science, huh?
Scootaloo
Aug 2013
#78
I like the idea of building a database of DNA patterns to clone creatures on demand from.
redgreenandblue
Aug 2013
#21
There's a difference in denying science all together and asking rational questions about
liberal_at_heart
Aug 2013
#55
"as we colonize other planets" is hundreds of years in the future, at best
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#107
Look what the poor wolves have to put up with whenever they are reintroduced to a place...
hunter
Aug 2013
#50
When we've stopped rendering other species extinct, maybe then we can think about it.
arcane1
Aug 2013
#79
I've walked where Tas Tigers have walked. I'd love to see them regain their place in this world.
BlueJazz
Aug 2013
#81
I could go with that. However likely we would drive them back into extinction.
Katashi_itto
Aug 2013
#96