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213. I doubt that, Marrah

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:04 AM

Aug 2013

The last iteration of DU seemed designed specifically to get us to this point.

I'm not saying DU2 was perfect, but it was a lot better than this.

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All in favor of detaining journalists or their significant others, raise your hands. [View all] WilliamPitt Aug 2013 OP

is there any more room under the bus...? mike_c Aug 2013 #1

We've got a whole fleet of buses now. LWolf Aug 2013 #273

If this were done under a Republican President........ neverforget Aug 2013 #2

They don't have Republicans in the U.K. pnwmom Aug 2013 #103

So they don't have conservatives there? neverforget Aug 2013 #108

They do. But they don't work under Obama. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #113

UK Conservatives are not even Republican-Lite. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #222

Yes, they have their reasons... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #155

Torys. tblue Aug 2013 #158

I know they have their own conservatives. But this wasn't "done under" pnwmom Aug 2013 #252

Not publicly anyway. former9thward Aug 2013 #267

They all march Why Syzygy Aug 2013 #317

The UK was so concerned about the leaked US documents, that they invoked a TERROR LAW! Civilization2 Aug 2013 #240

I didn't say it had nothing to do with us. But they have just as much reason as our govt. pnwmom Aug 2013 #251

Its totally different when its under a Republican President LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #107

heh. JackRiddler Aug 2013 #138

Lol! NealK Aug 2013 #204

Score! n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #216

Extra nice post! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #221

Brilliant! truebrit71 Aug 2013 #236

That's different! Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #241

I never thought I would ask for a link to a ProSense post hootinholler Aug 2013 #249

I have to give credit where credit is due LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #253

I think this is it... progressoid Aug 2013 #275

Thanks! hootinholler Aug 2013 #277

"I have many documents about England's espionage system" - G. Greenwald struggle4progress Aug 2013 #256

Nice one! Of course, that was then... AllyCat Aug 2013 #331

This bullshit was started by republicans and the RepubliDems are expanding it. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #114

Valerie Plame hfojvt Aug 2013 #153

Let's see. Cheney leaked info that outed an agent for political purposes. neverforget Aug 2013 #157

a bit of a warfle to compare this to Vietnam, isn't it? hfojvt Aug 2013 #179

drone murders count? gitmo/abu ghraib? occupations? The war-OF-terror is an awful mess,. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #242

most of those millions were killed in Iraq hfojvt Aug 2013 #310

Iraq was in the War-OF-Terror. They declared war on a tactic remember? Not one country all of THEM Civilization2 Aug 2013 #323

all in favor of free passes for significant others trafficking in stolen stuff, raise your hand uhnope Aug 2013 #3

OK, so you're hands are definitely UP for the OP. nt NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #6

So you are in favor of the detainment of journalists and their significant others. Marrah_G Aug 2013 #7

Or torture, or indefinite detention Demeter Aug 2013 #212

Journalists should simply accept anything christx30 Aug 2013 #314

What stolen stuff did he have? leftstreet Aug 2013 #10

He had documents that Snowden stole on his thumb drive, according to Greenwald uhnope Aug 2013 #34

How do we know they weren't LOLCATs? leftstreet Aug 2013 #36

LOL! I hope they were! deurbano Aug 2013 #88

Empires are known for that... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #167

I have it on the strictest confidence that Enthusiast Aug 2013 #223

Mr Greenwald never said that they were Snowden documents. If you read your paragraph Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #85

That makes it 'truth'�. railsback Aug 2013 #102

I agree with what you seem to be implying: delrem Aug 2013 #172

So which Greenwald lie do you believe? GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #215

That was source material provided to the Journalist, Greenwald, which means it was perfectly sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #99

leaked material may be how SOME journalists get stuff hfojvt Aug 2013 #311

Let's cut to the chase. delrem Aug 2013 #168

You will notice Mr Greenwald did not say the docs were from Snowden. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #200

Summary execution then! Journalists are the new terrorists!! Off with their heads!!! No trials!!!! Civilization2 Aug 2013 #245

Uhm, that's not theft, its probably a violation of some state secret acts, but not theft... Humanist_Activist Aug 2013 #297

same difference. Point is, getting detained for having that in yr possession is not surprising. nt uhnope Aug 2013 #298

Its not a "same difference", generally theft carries a lot less of a penalty... Humanist_Activist Aug 2013 #299

...warfle warfle... WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #11

The warflers seem to believe that those who make the laws are above the law. GliderGuider Aug 2013 #257

WTF is this shit? mindwalker_i Aug 2013 #16

You nailed it, right here... City Lights Aug 2013 #24

it's not that the president is a Dem Skittles Aug 2013 #131

nope. delrem Aug 2013 #174

I think you are misunderstanding Skittles Aug 2013 #187

Please explain what you mean, Skittles. This is a civil rights issue. It has nothing to do with chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #220

the Dems who are excusing these violations Skittles Aug 2013 #319

Oh, for sure! Thanks for clarifying! chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #320

whassup, chimpy? Skittles Aug 2013 #321

I hadn't thought of it that way. City Lights Aug 2013 #238

That's one hand up so far. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #26

There's also document "laundering" Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #62

Lol, I think we need a list. And from a random poster too. Someone should maybe hire sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #83

you all pick the best names bobduca Aug 2013 #30

How'd they know? Cerridwen Aug 2013 #40

reminds me of the longtime roommate of any trafficker getting detained. uhnope Aug 2013 #67

I imagine it does. Cerridwen Aug 2013 #208

Do you think Greenwald and/or Miranda are terrorists? morningfog Aug 2013 #43

do you think sneaking stolen stuff thru an airport should be okay? How about kiddie porn? uhnope Aug 2013 #54

Do you think they are terrorists? morningfog Aug 2013 #58

oh I get it. you're with us or you're with the terrorists, double reversed. uhnope Aug 2013 #65

Do you think they are terrorists? Should be an easy morningfog Aug 2013 #66

Have you stopped beating your boyfriend? Should be easy. Take a logic class uhnope Aug 2013 #74

Do you think they are terrorists? morningfog Aug 2013 #76

You failed logic. Jakes Progress Aug 2013 #244

Just answer the damned question. Do you think Miranda is a terrorist? eom ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2013 #264

Did you misplace your reply? Jakes Progress Aug 2013 #344

That's not at all what that is. It is a simple question. cui bono Aug 2013 #193

Not what was asked. Jakes Progress Aug 2013 #243

first you're sneaking stolen sturf thru the airport, before you know it, yer Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #206

Where is the proof of child pornagraphry? tnlefty Aug 2013 #87

Now you are trying to equate whistleblowing to kiddie porn? LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #110

And notice the repeated refusal to say it is not terrorism. morningfog Aug 2013 #120

And these people claim to be Democrats LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #126

They detained him under a terrorist statute tazkcmo Aug 2013 #165

Please tell me you are not really equating Snowden's leaks with kiddie porn. cui bono Aug 2013 #192

"Hell, It could have been HUMAN HEADS, for god's sake, a thumb drive full of HUMAN FREAKIN HEADS!" Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #205

when they come for your rights questionseverything Aug 2013 #246

is this the new meme? if you support the leaks, then you support kiddie porn? frylock Aug 2013 #272

Remember - Supreme Court - Pentagon papers - it is UK though so all different rules Valhallakey Aug 2013 #330

This message was self-deleted by its author frylock Aug 2013 #64

There are legal avenues to deal with such violations. morningfog Aug 2013 #82

You're missing that it's legal to persecute someone for revealing illegal spying. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #98

Put down the crack pipe. L0oniX Aug 2013 #117

Prove that tazkcmo Aug 2013 #159

prove it all night long uhnope Aug 2013 #178

Let's parse this quote once and for all for the reading & comprehension impaired. TM99 Aug 2013 #214

+1 nt Javaman Aug 2013 #269

Awesome! hueymahl Aug 2013 #274

That's ridiculous, dumb and illiterate. But I'll make you a bet uhnope Aug 2013 #278

I don't gamble with idiots. TM99 Aug 2013 #280

you're a very confused person but you're smart not to take a losing bet. uhnope Aug 2013 #291

Confused? TM99 Aug 2013 #316

Even if what you say is entirely true, that makes him a terrorist... how? cui bono Aug 2013 #191

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2013 #194

'Trafficking' means smuggling illegal items or people with intent so sell them Celefin Aug 2013 #207

Uhhhh, NOPE! hootinholler Aug 2013 #255

blindfolds and ear plugs are all the rage! nt Javaman Aug 2013 #268

There is a place on my ignore list for anyone who thinks it is okay Marrah_G Aug 2013 #4

There are a lot of people posting here lately go west young man Aug 2013 #97

I'd say there are also laundry_queen Aug 2013 #182

Either sleepers, bvar22 Aug 2013 #294

they'll stop defending this stuff in the beginning of 2017 Skittles Aug 2013 #101

Bingo! Marrah_G Aug 2013 #105

They'll just switch to the next President. RC Aug 2013 #115

no, they will not Skittles Aug 2013 #125

Oh, I'll be watching. RC Aug 2013 #127

I'll be keeping them on Ignore Skittles Aug 2013 #130

You got that right. RC Aug 2013 #150

Scary times. It shows there is no limit to what they will defend. morningfog Aug 2013 #121

Don't do it, please. It's easy to ignore them the old fashioned way, but not seeing the shit Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #148

I know they are here, I just choose not to read their crap Marrah_G Aug 2013 #151

Ms. Thug is a redhead, I have some notion. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #162

I have hope that eventually the admins will get tired of it :) Marrah_G Aug 2013 #166

I doubt that, Marrah Demeter Aug 2013 #213

Mine too. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #217

Hee hee...K&R. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #5

A sure sign of authoritarianism is if you are defending this action quinnox Aug 2013 #8

They're not that hard to find... kenny blankenship Aug 2013 #9

No, they sure aren't hard to find, kenny... MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #13

Here's some more hands up in Greece kenny blankenship Aug 2013 #14

Oh good... one_voice Aug 2013 #22

That would be just won't do HangOnKids Aug 2013 #156

This message was self-deleted by its author one_voice Aug 2013 #232

I'm waiting for Attilla the Hun... Whisp Aug 2013 #202

Wait, so just because someone is a journalist, woolldog Aug 2013 #12

Just because someone's the president, mindwalker_i Aug 2013 #17

Explain how a Journalist is breaking the law by publishing material s/he received from a source? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #27

So-called journalist Victor Lazslo was not merely accused but found guilty kenny blankenship Aug 2013 #46

Is this a reference to the film 'Casablanca'? - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #133

yes. kenny blankenship Aug 2013 #175

He was detained under Title 7 of their version of the Patriot Act. tazkcmo Aug 2013 #173

Miranda was detained using a law explicitly passed to allow interviews of suspected terrorists. Maedhros Aug 2013 #284

They are just mystified why they are being called authoritarians. Nt. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #15

They don't even understand what the word means. dawg Aug 2013 #19

they also think that the word "liberal" means "not republican" frylock Aug 2013 #71

Don't forget about their dogs. rug Aug 2013 #18

Depends if they broke the law michigandem58 Aug 2013 #20

Explain how a journalist is breaking any law by using material provided to him/her by a Source. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #28

His cellphone, laptops and memory sticks were confiscated. michigandem58 Aug 2013 #31

Really? Why were they confiscated. Was he on a terrorist list? Did he commit a crime? Before sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #33

he had stolen documents. he isn't a member of the press. he's the boyfriend. uhnope Aug 2013 #38

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR tazkcmo Aug 2013 #176

+1 NealK Aug 2013 #210

Under the Terrorism Act of 2000, he doesn't have to be even be suspected of terrorism michigandem58 Aug 2013 #41

I'm not interested in those phony Bush/Cheney inspired fake laws. I am asking how a person sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #53

He was detained with good reason michigandem58 Aug 2013 #77

'Mr. Greenwald' is a Journalist. 'Deeply enmeshed' with a Journalist writing a news story, is sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #95

Ahaha A spoksman on the issue! Egnever Aug 2013 #136

What is your point? There was no crime, the UK has acknowledged they did what they did sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #184

If you defend a government's actions Maedhros Aug 2013 #290

Bush and Cheney influenced a law passed in another country before they were selected? n/t sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #104

Do you think Miranda might have been engaging in terrorism? morningfog Aug 2013 #69

And you're OK with that? East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #79

Miranda is not a journalist. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #116

Is he a terrorist, in your opinion? morningfog Aug 2013 #122

He was doing nothing illegal. His partner is a journalist and he was assisting him. So again sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #171

Whether he is a journalist or not is irrelevant. Maedhros Aug 2013 #292

He is a potential threat to the authoritarian state and should be punished accordingly. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #301

I have seen not one shred of evidence of terrorism. morningfog Aug 2013 #44

We have a few here sadly. Journalism = Terrorism. It has since Bush began this 'war on terror'. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #21

Flame bait post. longship Aug 2013 #23

well Will, as you can see there are a handful here who do believe in detaining journalist and don't Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #25

They are unfamiliar with the laws on Journalism and assume that when a journalist uses material sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #32

Laws of Journalism? sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #109

You never read the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution? You are unaware of sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #163

Oh, I'm aware of legal protections of journalists under the 1st Amendment sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #169

So what was the crime committed by Miranda? I would think that as a journalist you would sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #181

I'm not terribly familiar with British law but it is much less "free" than our law sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #186

We have no way of knowing if he had classified files or not. The nyt reporter inserted Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #201

Why are you keeping on that point? sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #226

Because it is a valid point, that's why. TM99 Aug 2013 #229

I'd think that if Greenwald felt he had been libeled by the Times in a doctored quote sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #230

I disagree that Greenwald would be TM99 Aug 2013 #233

NYT totally botched the acorn questionseverything Aug 2013 #248

The Guardian did not "immediately" turn over copies eilen Aug 2013 #328

Different situation sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #332

The Constitution does not give rights to specific classes of people, Maedhros Aug 2013 #295

Welcome to DU! Number23 Aug 2013 #333

I've been around for ages - I just never have anything to say n/t sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #334

Well, I hope the unbreakable wall of ignorance you've encountered in this thread Number23 Aug 2013 #335

Thanks! n/t sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #336

How do you feel about the Patriot Act? Do you think Pres Obama should use it to rhett o rick Aug 2013 #302

I actually despise the Patriot Act but don't see what it has to do with British law, sweetloukillbot Aug 2013 #305

funny that he's not a journalist and yeah let's have anybody traffic anything thru airports. Yay! uhnope Aug 2013 #59

you really don't believe in liberal western democracy, do you? Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #78

oh, another candidate for logic class. But liberal western democracy is rule of law uhnope Aug 2013 #180

liberal western democracy means a free, uninhibited and adversarial press - It means the right of Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #188

Good lord Egnever Aug 2013 #29

"warfle warfle derp" is more intelligent than any argument I have seen for the opposing ... dawg Aug 2013 #39

LOL so you think the first amendment gives you the right to posses stolen intelligence? Egnever Aug 2013 #42

Find another place to post then. morningfog Aug 2013 #47

Nah the entertainment value here is too high. Egnever Aug 2013 #48

Is that your call to make? Number23 Aug 2013 #106

Nope. Just a helpful suggestion. morningfog Aug 2013 #118

in that case, might i suggest that you follow your own suggestion? nt Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2013 #254

By all means, thank you. morningfog Aug 2013 #270

So, you think the government can just "classify" any and all information it deems inconvenient? dawg Aug 2013 #51

Then you better tell them to change the laws Egnever Aug 2013 #52

What laws? The secret ones? dawg Aug 2013 #60

Exactly right. And to see someone laughing about the demise of this experiment so joyfully... cui bono Aug 2013 #197

^^^ This righ here ^^^ WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #111

Of the people, by the people, for the people Celefin Aug 2013 #203

derp a derp progressoid Aug 2013 #318

They call themselves "Democrats", but they oppose the core values that Democrats should be upholding backscatter712 Aug 2013 #218

You will find plenty of people here to support such totalitarian tactics, I'm afraid. dawg Aug 2013 #35

I am just going to assume that everyone scolding me in this thread WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #37

Will ... dawg Aug 2013 #45

You know it's possible to hold two separate... one_voice Aug 2013 #49

Really. WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #63

Anger issues... one_voice Aug 2013 #70

Attack the person and not the argument WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #73

I didn't attack you... one_voice Aug 2013 #84

....'as if I stole your last potato chip'. Whisp Aug 2013 #312

Makes Sense, no...? truebrit71 Aug 2013 #237

So do you feel that the launch codes for the nuclear program need to be made public? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #177

Uh... no. Celefin Aug 2013 #209

PLONK. sibelian Aug 2013 #286

Ya, and it was a LOT of hands Hydra Aug 2013 #55

when the fa�ade of winning mattered more NuttyFluffers Aug 2013 #141

I used to think the term "authoritarian left" meant hardline communist types who unapologetically Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #72

OT somewhat but the hardline communists need civil liberties as much or more than anyone else, in HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #149

Forgive Them Will... They Haven't A Clue... WillyT Aug 2013 #50

Shame on you, Mr. Pitt michigandem58 Aug 2013 #56

Uh, no not raising my hand... tnlefty Aug 2013 #57

Question. Old and In the Way Aug 2013 #61

News flash.... HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #137

I believe Obama is the one who pushed to make all the BushCo illegal wiretapping "legal". cui bono Aug 2013 #199

if they are involved in criminal activity, then yes. Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #68

So detaining them under a terrorism law is cool with you? WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #75

I'd have to have way more information before I could make a case one way or the other Pretzel_Warrior Aug 2013 #86

. WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #91

Awesome! backscatter712 Aug 2013 #219

What about journalists who embarrass "our" people? DirkGently Aug 2013 #80

Arrest all the leakers and journalists!! felix_numinous Aug 2013 #81

Arrest means a formal charge kenny blankenship Aug 2013 #90

This reminds me of the way Bush and Cheney outed Valerie Plame to retaliate against Joseph Wilson HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #128

Now that the illustrious defender of our civil liberties and our security Dianne Feinstein has HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #119

Third way, fourth way felix_numinous Aug 2013 #134

Government approved journalists OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #164

39 Raised Hands? or is it just Recommends.. confusing..n/t KoKo Aug 2013 #89

Great edits. dkf Aug 2013 #92

Thanks. WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #93

I agreed first time around but the warfle warfle is so perfect! dkf Aug 2013 #94

Stole it from South Park. WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #96

Recommended. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #100

kick nt Zorra Aug 2013 #112

Brilliant post and rhetorical tour de force. And your words of HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #123

I've seen the enemy. He is us. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #124

Wait a sec,...does Hannity call himself a "journalist"? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #129

. WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #132

That's O'Reilly.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #146

When people place Politicians and Political Parties ahead of ideals enigmatic Aug 2013 #135

I get your point but I think this goes beyond the mere worship of politicians HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #140

I'm not surprised by it, sadly. enigmatic Aug 2013 #144

People like that treat act like they're in a sports bar. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #161

Well duh Will! Get your ass in the van! Rex Aug 2013 #139

Tonight they admitted it, they were joined at the hip nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #142

�News is what somebody somewhere wants to suppress; all the rest is advertising.� Lord Northcliffe Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #143

K&fookingR! whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #145

My hand is not raised. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #147

It will be STUNNING when the next republican is in the WH and the response for Safetykitten Aug 2013 #152

And the PATRIOT Act is patriotic. joshcryer Aug 2013 #154

Gotta luv the transparency JEB Aug 2013 #160

The fascists at Scotland Yard seem to disagree. moondust Aug 2013 #170

I forgot, in fiction, it's a great plot device, in real life it's damn scary nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #183

No shit. I guess no one remembers the Pentagon Papers. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #185

I think we need to go back to Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #189

Oh my. I'd never seen this before: A legit public figure peeling back the PNAC onion. chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #227

The second video is Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #234

Thank you so much!! You really should repost these in an OP! chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #304

LOL..... thanks but Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #308

You might be right - but it IS Wes Clark, after all. Legit, with lots of fans here. chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #322

Well I think her reasoning Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #324

Thanks, I was the Wes Clark video, not the second one. Will do so later tonight!! chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #325

I agree except for "getting to be a bad habit around here"... cui bono Aug 2013 #190

Hand raised. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2013 #195

... Whisp Aug 2013 #196

All in favour of scammers like GG, please raise your IQs. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #198

You must feel so clever! burnodo Aug 2013 #211

It depends on what evidence there is treestar Aug 2013 #224

Will, can you imagine Woodward and Bernstein sending their spouses to meet Mark Felt? msanthrope Aug 2013 #225

Factually speaking, Carl got divorced right during the story breaking and after married Nora Ephron Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #239

Scott Ritter is married and the father of twin teenage girls. As he was Will's msanthrope Aug 2013 #259

Very good questions, but you probably won't get a reply Whisp Aug 2013 #313

That is an amazing, irrelevant and totally distracting straw man you are developing there. hueymahl Aug 2013 #281

No--it's a question. What reputable journalist expects his spouse to mule stolen documents msanthrope Aug 2013 #282

Hey, guess what, this is not fiction, this is not a game. hueymahl Aug 2013 #288

What victim? nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #289

Well played! TM99 Aug 2013 #285

Totally In Favor RobinA Aug 2013 #228

GG is "on the right". He is a Paul supporter. tridim Aug 2013 #231

You have successfully managed to completely, and entirely miss the point... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #235

Yes, people who run international scams usually don't have much of a point. tridim Aug 2013 #250

..and again...you miss the point of the OP truebrit71 Aug 2013 #261

I'm not going to K&R as the OP requests. tridim Aug 2013 #263

So it's okay to detain a "clown"s significant other if he's "being used"... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #266

by simply replying you are kicking the thread... Javaman Aug 2013 #271

Thank you, William. Jakes Progress Aug 2013 #247

How sad that we have a small, determined core of consistent pro-admin policy backers, who ARE... hlthe2b Aug 2013 #258

Truly stunned at the number of those here who have fallen for and enable W Bush's legacy. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #260

It's depressing to see any Democrat support such a thing. nt DLevine Aug 2013 #262

K&R Solly Mack Aug 2013 #265

Journalists should get a pass on possession of stolen property? Maybe I should start a blog and RB TexLa Aug 2013 #276

My Gawd, the stupidity on this is mind boggling! TM99 Aug 2013 #283

Amazing, isn't it? n/t hlthe2b Aug 2013 #287

So you can just take a police car and scream "Why are you chasing me? It's my property!" RB TexLa Aug 2013 #293

re: Getting things like what "stolen property" is... cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #300

Sigh TM99 Aug 2013 #315

I'll miss out on discussing something with you. Sorry, no way to care. RB TexLa Aug 2013 #326

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ THIS ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ bvar22 Aug 2013 #296

This shouldn't even need to be said here of all places. Matariki Aug 2013 #279

Shouldn't you define the reason for the detention before presenting such a black/white proposition? George II Aug 2013 #303

Tell me again why we had to know that Progressive dog Aug 2013 #306

K&R woo me with science Aug 2013 #307

K&R! TeamPooka Aug 2013 #309

During the Revolution sulphurdunn Aug 2013 #327

The question no longer, "Is it fascism yet?" but..."How long has it been fascism?" joeybee12 Aug 2013 #329

If the said "Journalist" was USING jazzimov Aug 2013 #337

Will, you have a new child, jazzimov Aug 2013 #338

That's the stupidest goddam comment in this entire thread WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #340

Do many journalists use their spouse/partner... SidDithers Aug 2013 #339

Dear WilliamPitt... AsahinaKimi Aug 2013 #341

but it WAS "terrorism under veil of journalism"! MisterP Aug 2013 #342

"that the administration wasn't hip to this jive"....... 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #343