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3. Right, we both are on the left so we think "reward the winners" is a bullshit sentiment

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:33 AM

Aug 2013

He points out there's practical and moral arguments on both the right and the left:

Left moral: the game is rigged
Left practical: rigged or not, inequality is damaging
Right moral: the game is not rigged
Right practical: rigged or not, the rising tide lifts all boats

But anyways. Do you use the terms "right" and "left" still? What do you mean by them? Do you use them interchangeably with "liberal" and "conservative"? Does "progressive" fit in there anywhere?

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What do "left" and "right" mean to you? [View all] Recursion Aug 2013 OP

I'm pretty much of a mind that (to put it simply) LeftofObama Aug 2013 #1

So what about leftist authoritarianism, or rightist libertarianism? Recursion Aug 2013 #4

The origin of the term "left" is the French Revolution RainDog Aug 2013 #2

Right, we both are on the left so we think "reward the winners" is a bullshit sentiment Recursion Aug 2013 #3

He may point out a pov, but that pov is not supported by data RainDog Aug 2013 #6

Well, Millman isn't particularly interested in left or right as he calls them out here Recursion Aug 2013 #10

not really RainDog Aug 2013 #12

Which of his economic positions are you thinking of? Recursion Aug 2013 #15

Winners and losers RainDog Aug 2013 #18

He's talking about the character in "War & Peace" Recursion Aug 2013 #19

Women, apparently, are losers according to this metric RainDog Aug 2013 #22

Yes, that would be exactly his argument Recursion Aug 2013 #26

Victims are not losers RainDog Aug 2013 #29

Call it "victims" and "predators" then if you prefer Recursion Aug 2013 #38

the left sides with the general welfare RainDog Aug 2013 #50

I'm a disabled female... Jasana Aug 2013 #62

Our neolithic ancestors were more advanced than rightwingers RainDog Aug 2013 #65

Napoleon, in War and Peace, is Napoleon the historical figure RainDog Aug 2013 #27

If Napoleon had conquered Russia RainDog Aug 2013 #33

The bulk of his career has been on the Street as a trader in derivites. He cashed out 3 years ago Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #32

He's an incrementalist, his interest in in the status quo which serves him, his 'thinking' is faith Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #25

This is correct nil desperandum Aug 2013 #34

Deficits were created by cutting taxes on the wealthy RainDog Aug 2013 #36

Actually, it was not the Estates General Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2013 #47

thanks for the correction RainDog Aug 2013 #51

I call bullshit on that article. cali Aug 2013 #5

It's not an article, it's a review of Tolstoy Recursion Aug 2013 #8

the author says it's his own definition RainDog Aug 2013 #11

So if you don't like the "winners/losers" dichotomy, what do you like? Recursion Aug 2013 #20

immature vs. mature RainDog Aug 2013 #23

I don't see how "winners" vs. "losers" is different from "1%" vs. "99%" Recursion Aug 2013 #28

99% is Democracy. 1% is oligarchy RainDog Aug 2013 #31

I think we're on the side of the downtrodden. The "losers" Recursion Aug 2013 #39

No. I'm on the side of justice, humanity and the general welfare RainDog Aug 2013 #45

+1 deutsey Aug 2013 #58

If you were to look at it in European political terms Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2013 #49

exactly n/t RainDog Aug 2013 #53

To me, being liberal is mostly about treating people equally. LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #7

Personally, I think political labels are claptrap. Skidmore Aug 2013 #9

yeah but that's false burnodo Aug 2013 #13

But we're pretty clearly left "relative to" the Republicans Recursion Aug 2013 #14

Does Noah Williams write for pay, or is this amateur time? Quantess Aug 2013 #16

Did you read the whole piece? It's an interesting take on Tolstoy Recursion Aug 2013 #17

No, I didn't. Quantess Aug 2013 #24

The author is a lifelong Wall Street trader who cashed out in 2010 to 'write' for American Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #35

The guy is pretty stupid, if you ask me. n/t RainDog Aug 2013 #37

I think you nailed it well with 'vapid'. I'd also add self serving to his own status and story. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #42

Aha, so he got his job through connections. Or nepotism. Quantess Aug 2013 #44

he's providing a hand job for narcissists n/t RainDog Aug 2013 #46

Note the similarities to Charlie 'I'm Winning' Sheen, unearned gigs, nepotism and cash... Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #48

In the most literal sense loyalsister Aug 2013 #21

"Not all conservatives are stupid people, but stupid people are groovedaddy Aug 2013 #30

Charlie Sheen and other spoiled brats have previously claimed that money = winning = everything. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #40

Very good example Recursion Aug 2013 #41

Can you explain what you think that means? Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #43

so, you're basically buying in to this frame? RainDog Aug 2013 #54

What on earth are you talking about? Recursion Aug 2013 #57

I think your pov is determined by rightwing ideology RainDog Aug 2013 #61

Jesus Christ *of course* we're losing Recursion Aug 2013 #63

you don't understand what I have said, apparently RainDog Aug 2013 #64

As I posted a few years ago, my basic distinction is: LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #52

Port and Starboard. MineralMan Aug 2013 #55

Contrived political cant. bemildred Aug 2013 #56

I orbit Salon.com in a black helicopter. KG Aug 2013 #59

I missed the fight on this, apparently RainDog Aug 2013 #66

fake labels to enable a 2 fake party stranglehold nt markiv Aug 2013 #60