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ellisonz

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Sat Feb 25, 2012, 03:01 AM Feb 2012

'Sovereign citizen' movement now on FBI's radar [View all]

The Homeland Security Department has ranked the movement as a major threat. Its members reject the law, and some kill police.
By Brian Bennett, Washington Bureau

February 23, 2012, 4:52 p.m.
Reporting from Washington—
With the FBI pounding on his door, and his wife and two children barely awake, Shawn Rice allegedly strapped on a bulletproof vest, grabbed a semiautomatic pistol and stepped out his back door on Dec. 22.

But dozens of FBI agents and local police had surrounded the ranch house in Seligman, Ariz., about 80 miles west of Flagstaff, and the only nearby cover was knee-high sagebrush. Rice ducked back inside, and warned the FBI to keep away.

After a tense 10-hour standoff, Rice, 49, was arrested. He now sits in a Las Vegas jail awaiting trial on federal money-laundering charges.

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Until recently, federal officials had steered clear of any extensive focus on right-wing extremist groups. In 2009, some members of Congress complained after a Homeland Security Department report warned that such groups might seek to recruit disaffected military veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as others. The report highlighted several groups, including the sovereign citizen movement.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-terror-cop-killers-20120224,0,5474022.story


Why don't we make targeting right-wing extremists for prosecution a priority in this country? I think there is no debate that right-wing extremists are still a dangerous threat to both common citizens and our government. We are little more than a year removed from a right-wing attempt to bomb a Martin Luther King Jr. parade and from the attempted assassination of a member of Congress. Clearly, our justice officials should make this very real threat a priority. If we spent 1/20 of the effort we have spent on fighting terrorist threats from abroad on domestic terrorist threats, we would have a much safer country. This country has quite the history of domestic terrorism and we would be well served not to forget its danger.
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I read the article and what crime did Shawn Rice commit to bring the FBI Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #1
Yeah that was an oversight in the article... ellisonz Feb 2012 #2
Ah. Another FBI plot of committing the crime in order to prosecute the crime. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #4
Entrapment has a very clear legal meaning. ellisonz Feb 2012 #5
How was he armed and dangerous? Was he threatening to kill Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #7
Yes he was armed dangerous and threatening. ellisonz Feb 2012 #8
Prior to that. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #9
Prior to that he failed to appear. ellisonz Feb 2012 #10
Failure to appear for a crime that the FBI organized. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #11
No one induced him to be a threat... ellisonz Feb 2012 #14
When the FBI starts throwing around terms like "Anti-Government Extremist"... Bonobo Feb 2012 #3
Let's get down to brass tacks. ellisonz Feb 2012 #6
Yes, unfortunately it may not just be rhetoric aimed at those people Bonobo Feb 2012 #12
Power is always open to abuse and the balance always isn't there... ellisonz Feb 2012 #15
No argument there. nt Bonobo Feb 2012 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #18
Agree with everything you've said here, ellisonz. countryjake Feb 2012 #13
Their whacko theory of individual sovereignty... ellisonz Feb 2012 #16
I worry about them, too. The ones up here are vehemently anti-Semitic... countryjake Feb 2012 #19
It's a marriage made in heaven... ellisonz Feb 2012 #24
Timothy McVeigh clones NNN0LHI Feb 2012 #20
the federal government has always targeted extreme right wing groups. madrchsod Feb 2012 #21
This is far more insidious in our communities than people realize. The Backlash Cometh Feb 2012 #22
Ooooh, money laundering. If only he was married to a congressperson, hughee99 Feb 2012 #23
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