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Atman

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21. I wanted to be outraged at this...

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 08:26 AM

Aug 2013

But given the legal background, it's pretty tough. If the courts have ruled that diaries and such can be looked at, how is that much different than your phone? EXCEPT for that people don't tend to keep phone records, addresses and photos in their diaries. It's a vexing question. I'm inclined to invoke the "Brave New World" view; as with 2A, the collective we simply had no idea what was going to be invented years later, and thus didn't write science fiction into law.

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Obama administration asks Supreme Court to allow warrantless cellphone searches [View all] cali Aug 2013 OP

rush, rush rush to defend, kids. Let's hear it for how right the admin is on this cali Aug 2013 #1

Why don't we spend some time in trying to get the Patriot Act Skidmore Aug 2013 #22

Glad you are not on the court treestar Aug 2013 #64

Obsolete: Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #2

Robinson and Edwards are both 40 year old cases by now Recursion Aug 2013 #7

Yay authoritarian state! Keeping our children safe and protecting us from evile terrorists! Yay! Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #37

I guess we need to define "unreasonable"? George II Aug 2013 #28

and "probable cause" panader0 Aug 2013 #31

No. Reasonable. With a reason... MNBrewer Aug 2013 #59

The fourth amendment is, most likely intentionally, vague re: unreasonable and probable cause. George II Aug 2013 #60

I don't see vagueness at all regarding reason in the 4th MNBrewer Aug 2013 #62

That's because reason isn't in the 4th amendment George II Aug 2013 #66

That mistaken view is part of the problem MNBrewer Aug 2013 #68

It's un-reason-able. You can parse "reason" out of that, but whatever George II Aug 2013 #70

meet the new boss .... leftyohiolib Aug 2013 #3

What next??? newfie11 Aug 2013 #4

This is to force the Supreme Court to decide BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #5

huge fail. The administration could have asked the SCOTUS to uphold cali Aug 2013 #8

Huge ignorance BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #14

This post was juried--I cancelled off because I realized that I could not give a fair verdict. msanthrope Aug 2013 #54

what's mindnumbing idiotic, honey, is the mindless defense of this cali Aug 2013 #55

Sorry but you are showing treestar Aug 2013 #65

You're Pissing In Cornflakes... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #9

This needs to be decided by the highest court - the Supreme Court. nt BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #15

Let's See If They Want To Step Into This... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #16

Because of the huge technology change BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #20

Parallels With The Second Amendment... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #23

+infinity BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #29

Depends on the composition of the Court. merrily Aug 2013 #34

A bunch of keyboard lawyers George II Aug 2013 #30

On the internet, we're all SCOTUS Justices, taking a break. merrily Aug 2013 #47

Whoa there. That's an incredibly misleading headline Recursion Aug 2013 #6

no, it's not. read the first circuit ruling cali Aug 2013 #10

I think the ratio of misleading to honest headlines around here is 50:50 George II Aug 2013 #57

Mmm, Power, must taste really good. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #11

this president has been a disater, if there's a wrong side of an issue Obama is probably on it bowens43 Aug 2013 #12

'LAWFULLY ARRESTED. Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #13

get an F'n warrant!!! Garion_55 Aug 2013 #17

Yes he did. Fuddnik Aug 2013 #19

"Change is coming to America" Obama just omitted saying bonniebgood Aug 2013 #24

ummmmm Cryptoad Aug 2013 #18

I wanted to be outraged at this... Atman Aug 2013 #21

Whether information is in a cell phone or a diary has nothing to do with the 4th amendment. merrily Aug 2013 #26

I agree with you. Atman Aug 2013 #32

I don't know how the SCOTUS will come out. merrily Aug 2013 #44

Thank you. Atman Aug 2013 #69

I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you. Jakes Progress Aug 2013 #25

"My party. Oh, my party." merrily Aug 2013 #48

What if we could actually dump our data? marions ghost Aug 2013 #27

There should be an "Emergency Erase" button. Atman Aug 2013 #35

I would too-- marions ghost Aug 2013 #43

Dumping data while you are being taken into custody would be quite the feat. merrily Aug 2013 #49

There are apps out there that let you remote wipe your phone... backscatter712 Aug 2013 #56

Getting a warrant is so hard. :( why do you want our cops to work hard. :( NuclearDem Aug 2013 #33

This would have been a perfect opportunity for the administration to blackspade Aug 2013 #36

Is it really that huge of a stretch that when you arrest someone, looking at their cell phone geek tragedy Aug 2013 #38

The United States Circuit Court of Appeals thought it was. merrily Aug 2013 #50

Yes. A cell phone is a computer, not a notebook. RedCappedBandit Aug 2013 #51

Or, one could argue it's an updated version of the PDA. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #58

I have a password on my phone reflection Aug 2013 #39

So The Gestapo dotymed Aug 2013 #40

That's my Bush! Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #41

So true! avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #61

What's next is damnedifIknow Aug 2013 #42

Bad timing is bad... Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #45

Perfectly in line with Big Bro's legacy. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #46

You best believe this pro fascist court will go along with trampling our 4th amendment rights JRLeft Aug 2013 #52

WTF! Little Star Aug 2013 #53

A normal legal question treestar Aug 2013 #63

And The Hits Just Keep On Comin... WillyT Aug 2013 #67