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Hydra

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64. Because that's the logical answer

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:52 PM

Aug 2013

And what this Admin is pushing for, which you are helping with.

These programs are not legal. They have been found to be not legal. That's why they were secret.

They only way this could all be legal is if the President is not subject to any legal standard. Is that what you'd like to see?

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The ACLU and others have been trying to redefine the term whistleblower to include Snowden. [View all] ProSense Aug 2013 OP

Snowden is a whistleblower and a hero. Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #1

The NSA Controversy is Ruining Pres. Obama earthside Aug 2013 #12

...said FAUX news uponit7771 Aug 2013 #75

There is a 'Liberal/MSNBC' bubble, too. earthside Aug 2013 #77

No he's not, and screw Snowden the Paulian supporters uponit7771 Aug 2013 #73

Dehumanization - for effective psyops Octafish Aug 2013 #2

They already admitted they wouldnt be making these posts if a republican was in office. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #13

Thanks for the heads-up! Octafish Aug 2013 #22

Wow! Just wow. Little Star Aug 2013 #29

I did. ProSense Aug 2013 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2013 #54

Wow, I hope that gets linked in every single one of these threads from now on. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #65

LOL! ProSense Aug 2013 #74

Snowden and Manning should each receive a Presidential Medal of Freedom and HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #3

I'm beginning to think your obliviousness to reality is some sort of logic blind spot. dkf Aug 2013 #4

Wait, ProSense Aug 2013 #5

This isn't hype. It's the state of our government officials and their failure to uphold their duty, dkf Aug 2013 #11

You ProSense Aug 2013 #16

more like rooted in loyalty to the President cali Aug 2013 #6

Is your comment "rooted in loyalty" to Snowden? ProSense Aug 2013 #8

Snowden is a handsome man Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #10

Uh, have no loyalty to Snowden. cali Aug 2013 #18

So why was your first response an attempt to deflect? ProSense Aug 2013 #24

oh yeah. and pro it's the sum total of your endless defense of everything that cali Aug 2013 #20

See this is your blind spot...we are concerned about our rights. dkf Aug 2013 #23

Maybe your "blind spot" is being self-righteous? ProSense Aug 2013 #27

And YOUR blind spot is that you continue to ignore what he provided us! cascadiance Aug 2013 #68

I am sorry but you did not make any such thing in your op. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #40

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.....etc LOL!! bowens43 Aug 2013 #7

Well, thanks for proving that you have no point. LOL! n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #9

In a democracy the people make the definitons which function under the law, not the AP 'style book'. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #14

Yeah, ProSense Aug 2013 #19

trashcanned. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #15

Have you ever considered the possibility that Snowden is merely a self serving douche tularetom Aug 2013 #17

+1 cali Aug 2013 #21

You agree that Snowden is a "a self serving douche"? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #26

You continue to miss the point that what you say ISN'T the point! cascadiance Aug 2013 #70

No, ProSense Aug 2013 #25

You mean "When the President does it, that means that it is not illegal"? tularetom Aug 2013 #42

What on earth did you get that from my comment? ProSense Aug 2013 #46

Because that's the logical answer Hydra Aug 2013 #64

You imply, I infer tularetom Aug 2013 #69

"A lot of people in 2008 voted for Obama. I did not vote for him." BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #28

Hasn't President Obama called him a whistle blower? 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #30

Jesus H. Christ, you never give up, do you? HERVEPA Aug 2013 #31

Can someone help me with this comment from the first excerpt hughee99 Aug 2013 #32

"asserts" ProSense Aug 2013 #35

Ah, so someone needs to be sure that what they are seeing is illegal hughee99 Aug 2013 #37

No, ProSense Aug 2013 #38

Well, as long as such a person can escalate their concerns to the guy hughee99 Aug 2013 #43

Yeah, ProSense Aug 2013 #44

Actually, I heard "old news" from the NSA defenders... hughee99 Aug 2013 #47

Did you notice this major caveat? GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #33

That has nothing to do with the point. ProSense Aug 2013 #36

Surely this wall of blue links, your 240th on the subject, will be the one to convince everyone! DesMoinesDem Aug 2013 #39

It wasn't written to convince anyone. ProSense Aug 2013 #41

"that'll help the debate about NSA domestic surveillance" - well, yes, it will muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #45

No, ProSense Aug 2013 #48

What has been made public about the middle of last century is not very relevant muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #50

What's ProSense Aug 2013 #53

More NONsense hobbit709 Aug 2013 #49

All I can say is that I envy the copy and paste skills. It must snappyturtle Aug 2013 #56

LOL! n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #60

Lord Whorfin has a message hobbit709 Aug 2013 #62

DU rec. but you're not going to convince 'em... SidDithers Aug 2013 #51

oh look! a fresh steaming pile of bullshit SwampG8r Aug 2013 #52

You ordered a "steaming pile of bullshit"? ProSense Aug 2013 #61

for my winter garden of course SwampG8r Aug 2013 #71

Whistleblower: an informant who exposes wrongdoing within an organization in the hope of stopping it Zorra Aug 2013 #55

Whistleblower: a leaker who reveals U.S. state secrets to other countries ProSense Aug 2013 #58

lol ~ nevermind nt Zorra Aug 2013 #63

Yeah, turns out I trust the ACLU, EFF, and other civil liberties groups more than I trust you. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #57

Do you ProSense Aug 2013 #66

No, I don't agree with CU, or their stance on the DA NuclearDem Aug 2013 #67

See, it's possible to disagree with the ACLU. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #72

Given both yours and the ACLU's track record, I'm more inclined toward the latter. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #79

Snowden is a whistleblower. Vashta Nerada Aug 2013 #59

Faster than a speeding bullet... one_voice Aug 2013 #76

You'd think with all this effort, time and money spent on trying to vindicate Snowden railsback Aug 2013 #78