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In reply to the discussion: The ACLU and others have been trying to redefine the term whistleblower to include Snowden. [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)66. Do you
"Yeah, turns out I trust the ACLU, EFF, and other civil liberties groups more than I trust you."
...agree with the ACLU on these:
ACLU Urges No Vote On DISCLOSE ACT
http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/aclu-urges-no-vote-disclose-act
Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission
http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/citizens-united-v-federal-election-commission
How about the EFF points here:
1. Obama will work with Congress to "pursue appropriate reforms to Section 215 of the Patriot Act." This is the subsection of law used to justify the bulk collection of telephone records. Several bills have been introduced this Congress that attempt to tighten up this law, and were glad to see Obama will be supportive of such efforts.
2. Obama will work with Congress to improve public confidence in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) by creating a public advocate that can defend privacy in the court. We were pleased that Obama specifically promised "to make sure civil liberties concerns have an independent voice, in appropriate cases, by ensuring that the government's position is challenged by an adversary" in the extremely secretive FISC. This could be a powerful reform, and one we would wholeheartedly support (especially, for example, if organizations like EFF can serve as the adversary on occasion). However, whether this is actually implemented in a meaningful way remains to be seen.
3. Obama has directed the intelligence community "to make public as much information about these programs as possible." First, "these programs" must include "all surveillance programs," not just those that have been leaked so far. The NSA is supposed to put in place a full time civil liberties and privacy officer and create a website that details its surveillance practices. This should have happened long ago, though we think this is a step in the right direction. However, any such website must actually provide real answers about surveillance rather than obfuscations and word games.
4. Obama is creating a "high level group of outside experts to review our entire intelligence and communications technologies." This group will be tasked with creating an interim report in 60 days and a final report by the end of the year that should address the impact of surveillance technologies, including potential abuses as well as the impact on foreign policy. Were not certain whether Obama is planning on having the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board fulfill this role or whether he is planning on creating a new board, but it is very clear that any group of experts will struggle to have independence, adequate subpoena power, resources and staff time, as well as the political clout necessary to have a meaningful impact on our current surveillance regime. We hope that Obama ensures that this expert board has the information it needs to do its job.
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The ACLU and others have been trying to redefine the term whistleblower to include Snowden. [View all]
ProSense
Aug 2013
OP
They already admitted they wouldnt be making these posts if a republican was in office.
Puzzledtraveller
Aug 2013
#13
Wow, I hope that gets linked in every single one of these threads from now on.
NuclearDem
Aug 2013
#65
I'm beginning to think your obliviousness to reality is some sort of logic blind spot.
dkf
Aug 2013
#4
This isn't hype. It's the state of our government officials and their failure to uphold their duty,
dkf
Aug 2013
#11
In a democracy the people make the definitons which function under the law, not the AP 'style book'.
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#14
Have you ever considered the possibility that Snowden is merely a self serving douche
tularetom
Aug 2013
#17
Surely this wall of blue links, your 240th on the subject, will be the one to convince everyone!
DesMoinesDem
Aug 2013
#39
"that'll help the debate about NSA domestic surveillance" - well, yes, it will
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#45
What has been made public about the middle of last century is not very relevant
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#50
Whistleblower: an informant who exposes wrongdoing within an organization in the hope of stopping it
Zorra
Aug 2013
#55
Yeah, turns out I trust the ACLU, EFF, and other civil liberties groups more than I trust you.
NuclearDem
Aug 2013
#57
Given both yours and the ACLU's track record, I'm more inclined toward the latter.
NuclearDem
Aug 2013
#79
You'd think with all this effort, time and money spent on trying to vindicate Snowden
railsback
Aug 2013
#78