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HopeHoops

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95. Okay...

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 09:08 AM

Feb 2012

Some stats...

http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20110214/obesity-increases-risk-of-deadly-heart-attacks
(snip)
But she says the study has shown “two news things: obese, middle-aged men have a 60% increased risk of dying from a heart attack than non-obese middle-aged men, even after we cancel out any of the effects of cholesterol, blood pressure, and other cardiovascular risk factors.”
(snip)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/10/09/us-obesity-heart-idUSTRE49884O20081009
(snip)
They found that the average age at first heart attack was 74.6 years in the leanest patients and 58.7 years in the most obese. "Women were predominant in both the leanest and most obese groups," the investigators found.

After accounting for factors that might influence the results, the researchers determined that compared to study subjects with a normal body mass index (BMI between 18.6 and 25.0), subjects who were overweight (BMI between 25.1 and 30.0) had a first heart attack some 3.5 years earlier.

Obese individuals (BMI between 30.1 and 35.0) had a first heart attack 6.8 years earlier than normal-weight subjects and for severely obese individuals (BMI greater than 40) it was 12.0 years.
(snip

And how about a really detailed one that was only done on the basis that obesity and heart diseases (including attacks) are a major risk for that population:
http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT00234832?term=heart+attack+and+obesity&rank=13§=X0125#all

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Some other reliable sources...
NIH http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/heartattack/risks.html
American Heart Association http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/WeightManagement/Obesity/Obesity-Information_UCM_307908_Article.jsp
John Hopkins Medicine http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/healthlibrary/conditions/adult/cardiovascular_diseases/overview_of_obesity_85,P07855/
American Heart Association http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/96/9/3248.full (very well referenced)

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Some people think that Chris Christie is much too out of shape to effectively hold office... [View all] MrScorpio Feb 2012 OP

Indeed. He is. PDJane Feb 2012 #1

Mentally or physically? ... Or both? Bozita Feb 2012 #2

Fits right in on a Jersey Beach. Historic NY Feb 2012 #3

I would say a good percentage of presidents were fairly rotund. Muskypundit Feb 2012 #4

Taft was up to 400 pounds during his bout of depression after his wife's death. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #44

Stay classy, DU. moriah Feb 2012 #5

He's UNHEALTHY. MADem Feb 2012 #6

And his weight is relevant how? moriah Feb 2012 #7

Read the subject line of the OP. That's how it is "relevant." MADem Feb 2012 #10

But instead of attacking him for his policies, people make fun of his weight. moriah Feb 2012 #12

This is a world where appearance matters. We can say "awww, that's not nice" but it is reality that MADem Feb 2012 #20

But we should try to get away from that treestar Feb 2012 #101

We won't. MADem Feb 2012 #113

One other thing re: anorexia moriah Feb 2012 #14

You are welcome to start a thread and discuss those issues. MADem Feb 2012 #15

Compulsive overeating is an eating disorder, too. moriah Feb 2012 #17

I'd say it's a bit of both. Smoking isn't a "lifestyle choice" either, if you want to get down to MADem Feb 2012 #22

And bashing Christie for being fat is just like bashing Ted Kennedy for being an alcoholic. moriah Feb 2012 #23

Hell, booze wasn't the worst of Teddy's problems! MADem Feb 2012 #27

I find it interesting.... moriah Feb 2012 #30

Bottom line--it's "fine" for any reason. If you don't like it, fight back. MADem Feb 2012 #38

So if he was black it would be fine to make fun of him for that? Because he's a jerk... moriah Feb 2012 #72

Are you actually saying what I think you are saying? MADem Feb 2012 #74

You were the one who said it was fine to make fun of him for whatever reason... moriah Feb 2012 #80

I am finding your racist comments, as well as your false characterizations, very troubling. MADem Feb 2012 #81

And how am I casting blame? moriah Feb 2012 #82

First, you equated obesity with being black. Then, you blamed MADem Feb 2012 #83

I didn't blame. The medications work BETTER on blacks than whites. moriah Feb 2012 #84

I can't continue with this discussion. I have to tell you that I am appalled at MADem Feb 2012 #85

Well, I'll explain why I said it. You said anything was fine to make fun of. moriah Feb 2012 #86

YOU were the one who brought up "making fun" and "bashing"--not me. YOU made those MADem Feb 2012 #92

The point is there are lines. moriah Feb 2012 #100

Well, if black people don't like dealing with racism, all they need to do eridani Feb 2012 #93

I thought a better response would have been .... moriah Feb 2012 #97

OK--I am hearing it the way I thought I was hearing it. MADem Feb 2012 #98

Take the joke about whales and the Jersey Shore from this thread.... moriah Feb 2012 #107

I'm done with you. I don't care for your racist views, even if they are unintentional. nt MADem Feb 2012 #108

Good, because if a person can't see bigotry... moriah Feb 2012 #110

They are the logical equivalent of advice to Christie on this thread eridani Feb 2012 #126

Schizophrenia is a medical condition too jberryhill Feb 2012 #56

If people were making threads to do nothing but poke fun at him for schizophrenia... moriah Feb 2012 #68

Well, what about lack of intelligence, or presence of bigotry jberryhill Feb 2012 #89

So, to you, there is absolutely no difference Union Scribe Feb 2012 #19

Showing the effects of meth, yes, I think may be helpful. (Faces of Meth, anyone?) moriah Feb 2012 #21

I am not talking about "best practices" or "best approaches" here. MADem Feb 2012 #24

Yep. Very true. It's funny, when we see anorexic women who are literally skin and bones CTyankee Feb 2012 #46

Yep, it's less acceptable to make fun of anorexics, though. moriah Feb 2012 #73

Yes, you are right. Anorexia is almost admired by some people who are ignorant about eating CTyankee Feb 2012 #79

I agree, that is beyond stupid treestar Feb 2012 #102

+1 nt Javaman Feb 2012 #50

what's with the statue next to CC ? JI7 Feb 2012 #18

Heh heh! MADem Feb 2012 #25

Taft used a helicopter Politicalboi Feb 2012 #26

if anybody doubts that christie's enormous obesity isn't an expression of serious emotional Gabi Hayes Feb 2012 #28

Those links are ... instructive! MADem Feb 2012 #29

there is a huge number of rightwing cesspools that make free republic Gabi Hayes Feb 2012 #31

Allen WEST??? At least those guys have a sense of humor...n/t renie408 Feb 2012 #36

Taft looks a lot like myself. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #45

He has a bit of a bay window, but he looks like he's got a goodly amount of muscle. MADem Feb 2012 #65

He requires a taxpayer funded golf cart to to travel 100 yards tabbycat31 Feb 2012 #54

I'm disgusted that a jury voted to keep this thread. TheWraith Feb 2012 #8

Oh, that's silly... MrScorpio Feb 2012 #9

So is bigotry, no matter what the criteria. NWHarkness Feb 2012 #52

When paralysis could be mitigated by personal behavior, you might have a point. MADem Feb 2012 #11

Then we all do treestar Feb 2012 #105

That guy is not just "big," though. You are not taking MY point. MADem Feb 2012 #111

Er, so is he fit to serve as governor of NJ? treestar Feb 2012 #118

The argument is, though, that one SHOULD NOT talk about "it." MADem Feb 2012 #122

It is not trying to shut anyone up, just giving an opinion on whether it matters or not treestar Feb 2012 #136

You will have to point me to "protests" about "Gramps" McCain. MADem Feb 2012 #140

I'm fat and I wasn't offended at all. In fact, I laughed my ass off. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #47

To me libtodeath Feb 2012 #53

Maybe Christie can hold an aspirin whith his lips. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2012 #66

That's a good point treestar Feb 2012 #106

And what is interesting - we DID have a paralyzed President treestar Feb 2012 #103

Who should not have served his last term. MADem Feb 2012 #114

The Presidency is a desk job treestar Feb 2012 #116

No it isn't. It's a job that requires movement. Just boarding AF1 at Andrews requires MADem Feb 2012 #123

Climbing up a long flight of stairs to get on AF 1 is not a major point of the job treestar Feb 2012 #137

Yes, it is. A President who cannot travel is an ineffective President. MADem Feb 2012 #141

Fat people can travel treestar Feb 2012 #142

Good for you. Unless you are Chris Christie, your anecdotes are meaningless. MADem Feb 2012 #144

They can certainly adjust a thing like that! treestar Feb 2012 #148

He's not "disabled." He just needs a trainer and a diet. MADem Feb 2012 #150

Query treestar Feb 2012 #143

Wow, way to "out" yourself! Pat yourself on the back! MADem Feb 2012 #145

Why? treestar Feb 2012 #147

Pregnant women, unless they have other unusual health problems--and most do not-- MADem Feb 2012 #152

I hope I live long enough to see the first grossly obese president. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #13

Yeah, I too find the wisest political analysis printed on t-shirts Union Scribe Feb 2012 #16

I think he's too out of shape to RUN for president Sedona Feb 2012 #32

Some people?!??!? Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #33

So it's OK to make funny of Chris Christie for being overweight renie408 Feb 2012 #34

The DU is such a joke on this topic! Making fun of weight is never ok! Logical Feb 2012 #35

I think weight as it regards a candidate's LITERAL 'fitness' for office is a valid renie408 Feb 2012 #40

+1 MADem Feb 2012 #41

And is posting threads to make fun of him for it actually discussing the issues? moriah Feb 2012 #70

Nooo....that's my point. renie408 Feb 2012 #76

sorry -- and check my edit, I wasn't sure if you were stil on ;) moriah Feb 2012 #78

Well, saying he is "round" is not a constructive post. h Logical Feb 2012 #88

It's HARD for gay people to be attracted to someone of the opposite sex eridani Feb 2012 #94

5-1, no less. moriah Feb 2012 #71

The self discipline argument treestar Feb 2012 #104

Wow, what a clever fat joke! Congrats! Logical Feb 2012 #37

Tired. Brickbat Feb 2012 #39

I'm a fat guy and I'm not struggling to breath like Christie is. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #42

My friend told me last year that they have signs on the beach in New Jersey. Major Hogwash Feb 2012 #55

My ex-fiance' punched out a kid in the lunch line.... moriah Feb 2012 #115

I'm so impressed. Major Hogwash Feb 2012 #124

Neither was I. moriah Feb 2012 #127

It's weird that you are talking about your ex-fiance in this thread. Major Hogwash Feb 2012 #129

Actually, my ex was pretty rail-thin at the time. moriah Feb 2012 #130

Let me give you some advice about threatening people here at DU. Major Hogwash Feb 2012 #131

Not a threat, more an observation. moriah Feb 2012 #132

Usually they do. Major Hogwash Feb 2012 #133

Huh? Bonobo Feb 2012 #139

The fact you think it's acceptable to call a politcian a "beached whale" is a sign of your bigotry. moriah Feb 2012 #146

No, it's not. Major Hogwash Feb 2012 #149

I should have known better than to argue with a bigot. moriah Feb 2012 #153

Chris Christie is an anti-gay Republican Romney supporter who is nuts. Major Hogwash Feb 2012 #159

I think that it is also reasonable to mention her experience Bonobo Feb 2012 #160

Yay! You addressed his policies! moriah Feb 2012 #162

Of course you'll continue, you're obsessed with Chris Christie. Major Hogwash Feb 2012 #163

No, I dislike bigotry in all it's forms, and hypocrisy. moriah Feb 2012 #164

+1 nt MADem Feb 2012 #60

Prediction- elfin Feb 2012 #43

because lack of self-discipline is the only thing that causes obesity? Kali Feb 2012 #58

CC said that's his problem. MADem Feb 2012 #63

And would a person who goes to rehab not be "self-disciplined", or one who takes Antabuse? moriah Feb 2012 #69

I think the Chris Christie bashing has been totally mean. Go, round!! BlueIris Feb 2012 #48

It's a fair object for discussion. He's a likely candidate for a massive heart attack. HopeHoops Feb 2012 #49

Bullshit - please cite the probability of heart attacks for obese people from a reputable source dmallind Feb 2012 #61

Okay... HopeHoops Feb 2012 #95

By this measure, no one (in hindsight) should have voted for FDR. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #67

Most people didn't even know FDR was in a wheelchair. MADem Feb 2012 #77

True but that's not just because the press kept it under wraps onenote Feb 2012 #87

Good? Bad? It was what it was. MADem Feb 2012 #91

I agree on that count to some degree. It is still a valid issue for discussion. HopeHoops Feb 2012 #96

We do have a provision for replacements, though treestar Feb 2012 #119

Fair enough - but he's still an asshole. HopeHoops Feb 2012 #120

The people have a right to know before an election aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2012 #156

Oddly enough, it mattered not at all treestar Feb 2012 #157

Body Size Bigotry NWHarkness Feb 2012 #51

I don't care about his weight, I care about his policies. Jennicut Feb 2012 #57

Which of his duties is he not performing? dmallind Feb 2012 #59

Never mind that. I want to know if he would fit in William Howard Taft's chair yellowcanine Feb 2012 #62

Oh c'mon itudbe a barrel of fun flamingdem Feb 2012 #64

I wish people would just call it what it is. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2012 #75

Pointless button pushing. SomethingFishy Feb 2012 #90

HIDE THREAD is your friend! nt MADem Feb 2012 #99

Fat jokes are okay on DU3 Rex Feb 2012 #109

Apparently racism is still wrong. moriah Feb 2012 #112

What's next? Tyrannosaurus Rex jokes. Major Hogwash Feb 2012 #125

Smart move! Rex Feb 2012 #151

Actually I'm thinking of going to Kentucky. Major Hogwash Feb 2012 #158

CHristie is a useless bag of skin NO MATTER the size of him,,,,, benld74 Feb 2012 #117

Lots of inaccurate info in this thread. Texasgal Feb 2012 #121

In which way does Christie's weight limit his ability to be governor? Beacool Feb 2012 #128

I find Christie's world view disgusting; greiner3 Feb 2012 #134

He will probably die young because of his condition, so he'd better get cracking... Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #135

"Some people" said the same about FDR. Cerridwen Feb 2012 #138

He looks morbidly obese - health certainly is an issue in an election aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2012 #154

he's losing weight like crazy. might by skinny by the convention Liberal_in_LA Feb 2012 #155

Sadly, if he does, he may not keep it off. moriah Feb 2012 #165

speaking as a sleep technician.... rppper Feb 2012 #161