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In reply to the discussion: Some have mentioned: Why bring up NSA Spying now and not back in 2006? [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)83. The Professional Paranoid
Uncle Jed, I told Mr. Drysdale I was going to be a double-naught spy!

The Professional Paranoid
Why NSA whistle-blower Russ Tice may be right.
By Patrick Radden Keefe|Posted Tuesday, Jan. 17, 2006, at 5:15 PM
If the congressional hearings on domestic spying have anything like a star witness when they get under way next month, it will probably be a 43-year-old intelligence officer named Russ Tice. Until last May, Tice worked at the National Security Agency, on what are known as Special Access Programsthe umbrella designation for "black world" operations that includes the Bush administration's warrantless eavesdropping. In December, Tice said he was willing to testify about "probable unlawful and unconstitutional acts" by the NSA, and he has since acknowledged that he was one of the sources for James Risen's original scoop in the New YorkTimes.
This appears to be great news for Congress: Because current NSA officials are likely to stonewall when asked about "sources and methods," arguing that even closed-session testimony could jeopardize national security, a chatty insider like Tice might save the investigation. But there's a catch. Shrill, twitchy, and Manichaean, your average whistle-blower often comes off as more crazy than confidence-inspiring. And when the whistle-blower happens also to be a professional eavesdropperwhich is effectively to say, a professional paranoidthe weird factor can be especially pronounced. It may be tempting to write Tice off. But that would be a mistake. His intimate knowledge of America's surveillance apparatus might make him a little paranoid. In this case, however, it might also make him right.
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Whenever a whistle-blower parts rank with a government agency or a major corporation, it's in the interests of the betrayed employer to depict the whistle-blower as unhinged. This skillfully plays on the public's preconceptions. If there's one naysayer in an institution of thousands, we're more apt to believe that she's nuts than that she's the only one who hasn't drunk the Kool-Aid. So far, the NSA hasn't responded to Tice. But if he holds forth before Congress about spying abuses, the agency will reply that he was dismissed last year after a pair of psychiatric evaluations deemed him "mentally unbalanced." In 2001, while he was working for the Defense Intelligence Agency, Tice became convinced that an Asian-American woman he was working with was a Chinese spy. He reported his suspicions and was told they were unfounded. When he transferred to NSA the following year, he continued to report his concerns to DIA. Learning of his persistence, NSA administered the psychiatric evaluations, which led to what is known as "red badge" status, or suspension of security clearance, a stigma that in Tice's secretive business can be professionally debilitating.
So, Tice's departure from the agency had nothing to do with the misgivings about domestic eavesdropping that he now professes. This isn't unusual. In the eavesdropping business, which relies for its survival on a code of silence more entrenched than anything the Mafia ever came up with, defectors seem to simmer in silence for years and then suddenlyand perhaps opportunisticallyto blow their tops, detailing every infraction and violation they observed throughout their careers.
Tice's bid for credibility isn't helped by some whistle-blowers who have come before him. In 1988 a recently fired NSA contractor, Margaret Newsham, went public with an alarming story. Newsham had worked at Menwith Hill, the biggest eavesdropping base on the planet, located in England's Yorkshire moors but home to 1,400 American spies. One day, she said, a colleague handed her a pair of headphones and let her listen to a conversation in Washington. One voice sounded familiar and when Newsham asked who it was, her colleague told her the speaker was Sen. Strom Thurmond. But Newsham did not protest this violation of protocol at the time. She waited until she'd been fired and was embroiled in a wrongful termination suit. Then she blew the whistle with such promiscuityalleging not only privacy violations, but also over-charging by contractors and sexual harassmentthat she accomplished little. It didn't help that Newsham seemed like a textbook paranoid: She lived alone with a 120-pound guard dog named Mr. Gunther and once told a reporter she sleeps with a gun under her pillow for fear of government reprisals.
Another recent eavesdropper-turned-whistle-blower was Canadian spy Mike Frost, who was featured on 60 Minutes II in 2000. He made news by claiming that the United States and Canada were working together to wiretap civilians as part of the Echelon eavesdropping network. Frost related an alarming story about a soccer mom who ended up on a terrorist watch-list because she telephoned a friend to describe how her son had "bombed" in the elementary school play. But experts soon poked holes in this story. Frost tended to describe surveillance systems as all-powerful and omniscient; like Newsham, he sounded a little paranoid. And also like Newsham, he had held his tongue about his reservations until he parted ways with his agency for an unrelated reason. (In this case the reason was alcoholismFrost's tell-all book reveals that he and his ghostwriter first met in AA.)
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2006/01/the_professional_paranoid.html
PS: Thank you, sabrina1. You have carried a lot of the load over the years, alone, on DU, and with our fellow Democrats. Words can't adequately express what your presence and friendship have meant to me. So, I haul out Jethro, my Doppelgänger.

The Professional Paranoid
Why NSA whistle-blower Russ Tice may be right.
By Patrick Radden Keefe|Posted Tuesday, Jan. 17, 2006, at 5:15 PM
If the congressional hearings on domestic spying have anything like a star witness when they get under way next month, it will probably be a 43-year-old intelligence officer named Russ Tice. Until last May, Tice worked at the National Security Agency, on what are known as Special Access Programsthe umbrella designation for "black world" operations that includes the Bush administration's warrantless eavesdropping. In December, Tice said he was willing to testify about "probable unlawful and unconstitutional acts" by the NSA, and he has since acknowledged that he was one of the sources for James Risen's original scoop in the New YorkTimes.
This appears to be great news for Congress: Because current NSA officials are likely to stonewall when asked about "sources and methods," arguing that even closed-session testimony could jeopardize national security, a chatty insider like Tice might save the investigation. But there's a catch. Shrill, twitchy, and Manichaean, your average whistle-blower often comes off as more crazy than confidence-inspiring. And when the whistle-blower happens also to be a professional eavesdropperwhich is effectively to say, a professional paranoidthe weird factor can be especially pronounced. It may be tempting to write Tice off. But that would be a mistake. His intimate knowledge of America's surveillance apparatus might make him a little paranoid. In this case, however, it might also make him right.
Advertisement
Whenever a whistle-blower parts rank with a government agency or a major corporation, it's in the interests of the betrayed employer to depict the whistle-blower as unhinged. This skillfully plays on the public's preconceptions. If there's one naysayer in an institution of thousands, we're more apt to believe that she's nuts than that she's the only one who hasn't drunk the Kool-Aid. So far, the NSA hasn't responded to Tice. But if he holds forth before Congress about spying abuses, the agency will reply that he was dismissed last year after a pair of psychiatric evaluations deemed him "mentally unbalanced." In 2001, while he was working for the Defense Intelligence Agency, Tice became convinced that an Asian-American woman he was working with was a Chinese spy. He reported his suspicions and was told they were unfounded. When he transferred to NSA the following year, he continued to report his concerns to DIA. Learning of his persistence, NSA administered the psychiatric evaluations, which led to what is known as "red badge" status, or suspension of security clearance, a stigma that in Tice's secretive business can be professionally debilitating.
So, Tice's departure from the agency had nothing to do with the misgivings about domestic eavesdropping that he now professes. This isn't unusual. In the eavesdropping business, which relies for its survival on a code of silence more entrenched than anything the Mafia ever came up with, defectors seem to simmer in silence for years and then suddenlyand perhaps opportunisticallyto blow their tops, detailing every infraction and violation they observed throughout their careers.
Tice's bid for credibility isn't helped by some whistle-blowers who have come before him. In 1988 a recently fired NSA contractor, Margaret Newsham, went public with an alarming story. Newsham had worked at Menwith Hill, the biggest eavesdropping base on the planet, located in England's Yorkshire moors but home to 1,400 American spies. One day, she said, a colleague handed her a pair of headphones and let her listen to a conversation in Washington. One voice sounded familiar and when Newsham asked who it was, her colleague told her the speaker was Sen. Strom Thurmond. But Newsham did not protest this violation of protocol at the time. She waited until she'd been fired and was embroiled in a wrongful termination suit. Then she blew the whistle with such promiscuityalleging not only privacy violations, but also over-charging by contractors and sexual harassmentthat she accomplished little. It didn't help that Newsham seemed like a textbook paranoid: She lived alone with a 120-pound guard dog named Mr. Gunther and once told a reporter she sleeps with a gun under her pillow for fear of government reprisals.
Another recent eavesdropper-turned-whistle-blower was Canadian spy Mike Frost, who was featured on 60 Minutes II in 2000. He made news by claiming that the United States and Canada were working together to wiretap civilians as part of the Echelon eavesdropping network. Frost related an alarming story about a soccer mom who ended up on a terrorist watch-list because she telephoned a friend to describe how her son had "bombed" in the elementary school play. But experts soon poked holes in this story. Frost tended to describe surveillance systems as all-powerful and omniscient; like Newsham, he sounded a little paranoid. And also like Newsham, he had held his tongue about his reservations until he parted ways with his agency for an unrelated reason. (In this case the reason was alcoholismFrost's tell-all book reveals that he and his ghostwriter first met in AA.)
CONTINUED...
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2006/01/the_professional_paranoid.html
PS: Thank you, sabrina1. You have carried a lot of the load over the years, alone, on DU, and with our fellow Democrats. Words can't adequately express what your presence and friendship have meant to me. So, I haul out Jethro, my Doppelgänger.
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Some have mentioned: Why bring up NSA Spying now and not back in 2006? [View all]
Octafish
Aug 2013
OP
Bush didn't like people reporting his administration's illegal activities, but Obama's admin has
hughee99
Aug 2013
#62
''Money trumps peace.'' -- George Walker Bush*, ''president'' of the United States, Feb. 14, 2007
Octafish
Aug 2013
#111
The issue back then was warrantless wiretapping. And many of us demanded we go back to FISA.
stevenleser
Aug 2013
#2
I'm sure you'd acknowledge that things have changed quite a bit since the PATRIOT Act.
EOTE
Aug 2013
#8
I explained all that when I covered it. Not knowing the facts and history and commenting? Thats weak
stevenleser
Aug 2013
#64
Oh, CAPS, well why didn't you use CAPS to begin with? That changes everything.
stevenleser
Aug 2013
#87
Since you offer no knowledge at all, I'll assume you are projecting. Besides...
stevenleser
Aug 2013
#110
I think it's an expression of their feelings of powerlessness and lack of a voice
stevenleser
Aug 2013
#134
"This is the Central Scrutinizer, all subsequent critical thinking is now banned."
Enthusiast
Aug 2013
#89
REALLY!?! How is agreeing with a post with sarcasm (now noted) shouting neener neener!?
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#48
Yes the pre-Patriot Act FISA. Do you support Obama's use of the Patriot Act?
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#44
BUT there was NO teevee gnews HUGH & CRY! no stirring of the sheeples fears as now.
pansypoo53219
Aug 2013
#46
CT is a pejorative term over used by those that blindly follow their leaders.
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#45
No it's cool. I got it and I am usually the one that doesnt. See post #78 above. nm
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#103
Why do I find myself bookmarking ALL your threads? Thanks, so much for the history and perspective.
chimpymustgo
Aug 2013
#113
Well,the hair on fire crowd needs some kind of justification for not caring until now.
railsback
Aug 2013
#11
Doesn't matter what lane they pick the NSA will never ever be able to meet the standard of HOF
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#34
Let's talk about this "triple oversight". Looks to me like there is zero oversight.
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#40
The treatment afforded RFK, Jr. made me wonder if this was Parallel Hell Hole Bus Stop No. 9.
Octafish
Aug 2013
#88
Deja DU: Are ALL COMMUNICATIONS routed overseas to circumvent US law and the Constitution?
Coyotl
Aug 2013
#33
Dont'cha know once Obama got in all of the Republicans in charge at the NSA were transformed,...
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2013
#57
Because The Black Tax is in full effect. Has been since the guy raised
Liberal_Stalwart71
Aug 2013
#66
Thanks for this! I thought it was just me (I'm a "conspiracy theorist" from way back). nt
silvershadow
Aug 2013
#67
because it's being pushed by the right wing after being started by haters/clowns S.&G. ...nt
uhnope
Aug 2013
#72
The hell with Godwin. Nothing funny about the NAZI influence on America's secret government.
Octafish
Aug 2013
#122
Sen. Obama warned about Patriot Act abuses. President Obama proved him right.
Octafish
Aug 2013
#124
An excellent bookmarkable answer, but the question is silly as hell.
Waiting For Everyman
Aug 2013
#74