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yurbud

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33. it is not entirely beyond public opinion, but the big pieces mostly are

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 03:11 PM

Aug 2013

which is why a Democratic president might delay a war, but not call bullshit on the arguments and evidence for that war.

On nukes, the only reason Iran would want them is because we and Israel threaten them, and we have invaded countries that border Iran on two sides.

If they get them, they will use them the way every other country that gets them has--as a deterrent.

Iran MIGHT give them up though in exchange for a non-aggression treaty, but that would spoil everything wouldn't it?

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Did Manning Help AVERT WAR In Iran? [View all] Segami Aug 2013 OP

Perhaps in this way. Certainly in less direct ways. Scuba Aug 2013 #1

Except that the Obama administration doesn't want a war with Iran. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #2

An inconvenient truth! greatauntoftriplets Aug 2013 #4

except Obama isn't going to be President forever limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #26

An inconvenient truth! villager Aug 2013 #29

At which point all of the Manning stuff will be forgotten nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #31

how can it be forgotten? It's already it the public domain. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #32

Policy is bigger than presidency Scootaloo Aug 2013 #37

Policy changes with the Presidency. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #38

You would think that, but no Scootaloo Aug 2013 #39

Do you think Gore would have invaded Iraq? nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #40

Invasion isn't policy Scootaloo Aug 2013 #41

Saddam was never our buddy. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #42

Oh boy. Scootaloo Aug 2013 #43

sigh. no. there was never going to be an attack on Iran cali Aug 2013 #3

We might consider it an act of war if another country did this to us limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #28

Very interesting. There was a time that McCain, Lieberman and snappyturtle Aug 2013 #5

The U.S. was very close Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #6

When were we 'very close' to a war with Iran? nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #7

Some believe that Stuxnet was an act of war. Maedhros Aug 2013 #24

I guess we'll just have to stir up shit someplace else to keep the money flowing JEB Aug 2013 #8

Don't guess it,...expect it! Segami Aug 2013 #9

We need an army of Mannings. JEB Aug 2013 #13

I love that Demotarian logic,,, Cryptoad Aug 2013 #10

Well, there's a big rock, and no Unicorns, right? RIGHT? Why do you hate Bradley Manning? nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #11

Thanks for illustraing my point Cryptoad Aug 2013 #14

I was being sarcastic. Sorry, I should have been clearer. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #15

I know Cryptoad Aug 2013 #18

I think Mr. Parry ought to forward this on the judge. I'm sure she will be persuaded. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #12

That explains why the feds are cracking down so hard on whistle blowers. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #16

No - look at Obama's positions on Iran in the 2008 debates -- or even look back to Kerry's in 2004 karynnj Aug 2013 #17

the foreign policy differences between Dems and Republicans are mostly matters of style yurbud Aug 2013 #20

I think it is more than just style karynnj Aug 2013 #23

it is not entirely beyond public opinion, but the big pieces mostly are yurbud Aug 2013 #33

"Non-aggresive treaties" are 'profit-killers for many. Segami Aug 2013 #34

this is the most important story in a while and shows why gov't and elite so freaked yurbud Aug 2013 #19

this is the revolution: ending the ability of leaders to LIE us into war and spin us into policies yurbud Aug 2013 #21

Mannings revelations disturbed the plan for Iraq Hydra Aug 2013 #22

*snork* A majority of folk in the US have regarded the Iraq war as a mistake since Fall 2006 struggle4progress Aug 2013 #45

Possibly. If not under this President, maybe he helped avert a future war 10 or 20 years from now. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #25

It is frequently held that images from Vietnam were a major factor in forcing us to Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #27

K&R idwiyo Aug 2013 #30

I hope so, but the war profiteers are determined. They will still try and may still succeed. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author one_voice Aug 2013 #36

Perry must be desperate for excuses to justify Manning's bizarre behavior, because this theory struggle4progress Aug 2013 #44

Obama might not start the hot war part, but like Bill Clinton before him, he won't pour cold water yurbud Aug 2013 #46