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Cerridwen

(13,262 posts)
94. Remember them? Hell, I are one 'o them.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 04:36 PM
Aug 2013

I was too young to be a hippy but I was plenty old enough to see the world wasn't what I was being told it was. My elders said one thing yet did another. I heard them complain about politicians over and over and over again then do nothing about them. My family is mostly apolitical. Except for various union memberships and union positions over the years. When it came to electoral politics they complained but were absent.

I was just about 5 when JFK was assassinated. My mother explained it as 2 children, mine and my brother's age, had just lost their father. I remember we went straight to her parent's house when she heard. I didn't quite get the words but the emotions were obvious. She needed to be with her parents. She was about 25. It was horrible.

Most of what followed was kept from me as I was "too sensitive" to the emotions around the unmatching words.

Back then, school reform was teaching to the child; unions provided the best jobs, pay, and benefits; poverty was to be addressed rather than those in poverty to be jailed; addictions to various substances was just hitting the criminalize or treat as medical conditions controversy; there was debate about incarcerating to punish or to rehabilitate (a re-tread debate from the late 19th century, I think); conservationism was a conservative concept; and that old Eisenhower had just warned people my parents and grandparents age about the MIC.

Then came...well, you know the history. The establishment Dems started more noticeably taking over the party. 1968 DNC. Some non-conformists started to conform because it was easier to go along to get along. Other non-conformists just faded away and stayed away from the party machinery and the electoral process. So much changed; so fast.

It reverted to the power-mongering status quo of the newly branded robber barons and the idle rich were described as hard workers.

The anita bryant promoted "moral majority" that was neither, morphed into the pat robertson "christian right" and was spewed all over the 700 club and it was neither Christian nor right though it was most definitely right-wing. The vast right-wing conspiracy was launched with full force and with talking points faxed each day or phoned in each evening. They started small; on the school boards and planning commissions and the gablers destroyed the textbooks. But, of course they never, ever, and don't you say they did, enter the Democratic Party as "Democrats" to undermine any and all progress the people had made in the arena of people's rights.

And history was gradually re-written to hide the multi-party system of the US; the early corruption and racism of the old Democratic Party was momentarily replaced by a Party for the People to shut-up the complaints; and on, and on.

1st Lt. Milo Minderbinder: Nately died a wealthy man, Yossarian. He had over sixty shares in the syndicate.
Yossarian: What difference does that make? He's dead.
1st Lt. Milo Minderbinder: Then his family will get it.
Yossarian: He didn't have time to have a family.
1st Lt. Milo Minderbinder: Then his parents will get it.
Yossarian: They don't need it, they're rich.
1st Lt. Milo Minderbinder: Then they'll understand.


By the way, I think we're at the corner of Parallel Hell Hole and Underthebus Rabbit Hole at Bus Stop No. 9.

Next stop...The Twilight Zone.

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Because Bush. n/t librechik Aug 2013 #1
Bush tried making it illegal to point out illegal FISA policies. Octafish Aug 2013 #10
Obama, being a Constitutional scholar Aerows Aug 2013 #32
Bush didn't like people reporting his administration's illegal activities, but Obama's admin has hughee99 Aug 2013 #62
That's all okay Aerows Aug 2013 #63
There is something striking about that specific contrast. Octafish Aug 2013 #102
You think he suceeded!! nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #98
Apparently. He's not in jail, nor are his warmonger cronies. Octafish Aug 2013 #99
But that's not what you were claiming he was doing. Progressive dog Aug 2013 #100
Help me understand what you are talking about, then. Octafish Aug 2013 #104
Just go back and read your posts, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #106
''Money trumps peace.'' -- George Walker Bush*, ''president'' of the United States, Feb. 14, 2007 Octafish Aug 2013 #111
The issue back then was warrantless wiretapping. And many of us demanded we go back to FISA. stevenleser Aug 2013 #2
You forgot the sarcasm tag... villager Aug 2013 #3
You forgot the sarcasm tag when you just attacked Kennedy and Carter's law. stevenleser Aug 2013 #4
+1 Thank You dennis4868 Aug 2013 #6
I'm sure you'd acknowledge that things have changed quite a bit since the PATRIOT Act. EOTE Aug 2013 #8
+1 Thank you nt villager Aug 2013 #16
Probably not, for this particular person Aerows Aug 2013 #36
What a shame. EOTE Aug 2013 #41
To throw 1st Amendment rights to the wolves Aerows Aug 2013 #43
Jury result. Aerows Aug 2013 #107
So the FISA Act from 1977 is Kennedy's law? villager Aug 2013 #13
Google is your friend stevenleser Aug 2013 #15
So are non-hasty replies villager Aug 2013 #17
Prior to FISA the executive's surveillance power was inherent and unchecked Recursion Aug 2013 #119
The Church Committee and FISA (Bill Moyers) Octafish Aug 2013 #126
A law that is unconstitutional, has not worked and needs to be repealed. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #20
A law that has been upheld dozens of times in appeals courts you mean? nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #50
Have they approved the current interpretation? lark Aug 2013 #65
Have they struck down the current interpretation? nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #69
nice. Eko Aug 2013 #129
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2013 #30
Weak, man. Really weak. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #39
I explained all that when I covered it. Not knowing the facts and history and commenting? Thats weak stevenleser Aug 2013 #64
THE FISA COURT IS A RUBBER STAMP MNBrewer Aug 2013 #76
Oh, CAPS, well why didn't you use CAPS to begin with? That changes everything. stevenleser Aug 2013 #87
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #96
Since you offer no knowledge at all, I'll assume you are projecting. Besides... stevenleser Aug 2013 #110
I can't believe the vile shit slung at you by some DUers. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #132
I think it's an expression of their feelings of powerlessness and lack of a voice stevenleser Aug 2013 #134
You're a good egg, Steve. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #135
And of course your blog is the last word on this subject. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #97
Glad I could be of assistance. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #108
+1 Thank you. nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #5
No, he's serious. Aerows Aug 2013 #35
I don't know. Kinda sad, really. villager Aug 2013 #37
"This is the Central Scrutinizer, all subsequent critical thinking is now banned." Enthusiast Aug 2013 #89
No Eko Aug 2013 #130
J. Edgar Hoover with Supercomputers Octafish Aug 2013 #21
SCREW FACTS!!! /sarcasm <---- cause this is needed here uponit7771 Aug 2013 #29
No offense Aerows Aug 2013 #42
REALLY!?! How is agreeing with a post with sarcasm (now noted) shouting neener neener!? uponit7771 Aug 2013 #48
Objection noted n/t Aerows Aug 2013 #52
Yes the pre-Patriot Act FISA. Do you support Obama's use of the Patriot Act? rhett o rick Aug 2013 #44
BUT there was NO teevee gnews HUGH & CRY! no stirring of the sheeples fears as now. pansypoo53219 Aug 2013 #46
Nope. bvar22 Aug 2013 #71
You should post that clip as an OP. It pretty much says it all. dawg Aug 2013 #80
Because... dennis4868 Aug 2013 #7
The great DUer bobthedrummer did the job back in 2003... Octafish Aug 2013 #25
"Conspiracy Theorists"?? Wilms Aug 2013 #9
CT is a pejorative term over used by those that blindly follow their leaders. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #45
I think that was sarcasm Aerows Aug 2013 #53
I recognized the sarcasm. Just saw an opportunity to put in my two rhett o rick Aug 2013 #78
LOL! n/t Aerows Aug 2013 #92
I really should consider the sarcasm tag. Wilms Aug 2013 #90
No it's cool. I got it and I am usually the one that doesnt. See post #78 above. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #103
The story officially starts in 1981... Octafish Aug 2013 #86
Why do I find myself bookmarking ALL your threads? Thanks, so much for the history and perspective. chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #113
Well,the hair on fire crowd needs some kind of justification for not caring until now. railsback Aug 2013 #11
Before Obama tripled the amount of oversight? pnwmom Aug 2013 #12
Snowden provided the evidence for that Recursion Aug 2013 #120
Thanks for explaining. I had misunderstood "oversight" to mean "surveillance." pnwmom Aug 2013 #121
Gotcha. "Oversight" is one of those weird words that means its own opposite Recursion Aug 2013 #123
With over 2000 abuses that they are admitting. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #14
So which is it, there are no audits/oversight or there is? Pick a lane. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #28
Doesn't matter what lane they pick the NSA will never ever be able to meet the standard of HOF uponit7771 Aug 2013 #34
There are oversights Aerows Aug 2013 #58
----asdlkfae'ek##--- oops, mistypedd… crap.. mispelled… darn railsback Aug 2013 #51
Boston Marathon Aerows Aug 2013 #60
Oh, I thought the U.S. was spying on EVERYBODY railsback Aug 2013 #93
Tripled the oversight - that's a lie Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #18
4 X 0 = 0 rhett o rick Aug 2013 #22
Oversight now-a-days means to fly a drone over the site and take pictures. RC Aug 2013 #82
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2013 #31
Let's talk about this "triple oversight". Looks to me like there is zero oversight. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #40
It will never be enough railsback Aug 2013 #49
Snort.... blackspade Aug 2013 #59
Stop laughing. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #91
Yeah, kills the Greenwald action movie coming out railsback Aug 2013 #95
Because there was still hope that a government headed by Cerridwen Aug 2013 #19
The treatment afforded RFK, Jr. made me wonder if this was Parallel Hell Hole Bus Stop No. 9. Octafish Aug 2013 #88
Remember them? Hell, I are one 'o them. Cerridwen Aug 2013 #94
K&R! Octafish, rockin' the spot since forever! n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #23
Others have changed their mind and now think it's peachy. hootinholler Aug 2013 #24
Tip of the iceberg. JEB Aug 2013 #26
K&R. The excuses and deflections never stop. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #27
Deja DU: Are ALL COMMUNICATIONS routed overseas to circumvent US law and the Constitution? Coyotl Aug 2013 #33
WE DID ..... Triana Aug 2013 #38
This is all a part of the "Its not real" propaganda campaign. bvar22 Aug 2013 #77
Many of us fought for our fourth Amendment rights then as now. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #47
Dont'cha know once Obama got in all of the Republicans in charge at the NSA were transformed,... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #57
kick for truth... Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #54
I was posting Glenn Greenwald's columns about it back in the day ... meegbear Aug 2013 #55
I knew it was a threat the moment I saw the movie Sneakers PatrynXX Aug 2013 #56
Truth! k&r Little Star Aug 2013 #61
Because The Black Tax is in full effect. Has been since the guy raised Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2013 #66
Thanks for this! I thought it was just me (I'm a "conspiracy theorist" from way back). nt silvershadow Aug 2013 #67
2006 bigtree Aug 2013 #68
Thanks, bigtree! Great information, yours. Octafish Aug 2013 #127
Probably they did not have such Helen Borg Aug 2013 #70
because it's being pushed by the right wing after being started by haters/clowns S.&G. ...nt uhnope Aug 2013 #72
Yes it CAN Happen Here – The Impending Death of American Democracy Octafish Aug 2013 #115
finally we go Godwin with this NSA panic. uhnope Aug 2013 #116
The hell with Godwin. Nothing funny about the NAZI influence on America's secret government. Octafish Aug 2013 #122
Obama wasn't President and an easy target of DUers like he is today George II Aug 2013 #73
Sen. Obama warned about Patriot Act abuses. President Obama proved him right. Octafish Aug 2013 #124
An excellent bookmarkable answer, but the question is silly as hell. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #74
Well you have not changed Octafish zeemike Aug 2013 #75
Yes, many of us were called 'paranoid' especially after it was discovered that some Democrats sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #79
The Professional Paranoid Octafish Aug 2013 #83
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #81
I remember, Octafish. Blue_In_AK Aug 2013 #84
WE expected this from THEM. nt ileus Aug 2013 #85
I notice something Octafish. Rex Aug 2013 #101
DU can be a Truth Machine Octafish Aug 2013 #105
Same here bro. Rex Aug 2013 #109
"Time Wasters" How accurate!!!!! n/t slipslidingaway Aug 2013 #118
New generation has turned up. Neoma Aug 2013 #112
Some sure did! robertpaulsen Aug 2013 #114
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Aug 2013 #117
K&R. Yes indeed. Overseas Aug 2013 #125
Why not quarbis Aug 2013 #128
It was then (by some of us)..... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #131
because a democrat is in office and they know we will pile on..... spanone Aug 2013 #133
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