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markpkessinger

(8,923 posts) Tue Aug 20, 2013, 05:23 PM Aug 2013

Intellectual Dishonesty 101: "We can't tell the U.K. what to do" [View all]

We know -- the White House has confirmed -- that the Administration had advance notice of the U.K.'s planned detention of Miranda. Had the administration raised an objection, the U.K., our closest ally, would surely have honored such an objection. To suggest otherwise is the absolute height of intellectual dishonesty. And that was the point Rachel was making.

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Intellectual Dishonesty 101: "We can't tell the U.K. what to do" [View all] markpkessinger Aug 2013 OP

We can tell anyone what to do, and they can tell us to piss up a rope. nt MADem Aug 2013 #1

Right -- and the U.K. is SO likely to do that . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #3

They can't Hydra Aug 2013 #5

You get real--you mouth off with the "Jesus Fucking Christ" like you have inside knowledge, but all MADem Aug 2013 #6

Here- Snowden dumped on the UK and exposed them. OF COURSE THEY WANT THE INFO STOPPED KittyWampus Aug 2013 #29

If the U.S. did tell them what to do, the ProSense Aug 2013 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author MADem Aug 2013 #26

I'm sure that line of discussion will come around, in time! nt MADem Aug 2013 #28

Straw man markpkessinger Aug 2013 #32

Found out yesterday we've detained Laura Poitras 40 times (!!!!!), Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #2

By we do you mean... one_voice Aug 2013 #7

The US. Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #10

Ok, thank you.. one_voice Aug 2013 #11

Funny. Nuts was exactly the term I used. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #15

I think we did the right thing by staying out of it. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #4

You really believe the U.S. just "stayed out of it?" markpkessinger Aug 2013 #17

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Marrah_G Aug 2013 #33

Yeah, that'll show me. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #34

Advance notice=total control Progressive dog Aug 2013 #8

Raising an objection . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #14

"Had the administration raised an objection," Progressive dog Aug 2013 #22

There is no conflict between saying . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #24

If you had said that at first, it wouldn't have been Progressive dog Aug 2013 #25

I didn't think I had to . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #31

Well then, why would they do what the US told them to do? Progressive dog Aug 2013 #35

"Why would they do what the US told them to do?" markpkessinger Aug 2013 #37

You said "It is a given that the U.K. is a sovereign country, to whom the U.S. cannot dictate" Progressive dog Aug 2013 #44

We DID tell the UK what to do. It's not like Snowden is revealing THEIR secrets. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #9

Good point n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #16

Totally wrong, Snowden did finger surveillance operations in the UK, Germany, Canada, Australia, NZ KittyWampus Aug 2013 #20

Snowden leaked US intel, he never worked for Germany or the UK and never "spied" on them. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #36

Rusbridger: "Given that there were other copies and we could work out of America..." ProSense Aug 2013 #12

It's not like they're Egypt or something. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #18

There is a fine line to be walked here. randome Aug 2013 #19

Good, let's move on shall we? Savannahmann Aug 2013 #21

Sequester. Voting rights. Gun control. randome Aug 2013 #23

None of those are considered important according to polling. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #38

I think DU looks 'stupid as hell' right now. randome Aug 2013 #41

More important is a matter of perception. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #43

They can still choose to do otherwise treestar Aug 2013 #27

Not necessarily. Britain had its own reasons pnwmom Aug 2013 #30

To clarify the OP a bit . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #39

While totally forgetting that most of us JoeyT Aug 2013 #40

Put another way: They wouldn't do it if we objected. DirkGently Aug 2013 #42