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Octafish

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105. DU can be a Truth Machine

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:06 PM

Aug 2013

Thanks for pointing that out, Rex. And no matter what side of an issue DUers were on, there was a respect for one another that comes from "knowing" that other person as a human being and not as a virtual opponent or stranger.

What gets me in looking back at the old threads is how they represent a virtual storehouse of information. Even if the links are dead, the names and dates are there with which to launch a search for more information. Using GOOGLE now turns up all sorts of important stuff that never gets mentioned on television, let alone in the classroom or at most American dinner tables. DU helps change that.

Something else: DU3 is noteworthy for the Time Wasters and the absence of many a good DUer. Glad to know you are not one of them, my Friend.

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Some have mentioned: Why bring up NSA Spying now and not back in 2006? [View all] Octafish Aug 2013 OP

Because Bush. n/t librechik Aug 2013 #1

Bush tried making it illegal to point out illegal FISA policies. Octafish Aug 2013 #10

Obama, being a Constitutional scholar Aerows Aug 2013 #32

Bush didn't like people reporting his administration's illegal activities, but Obama's admin has hughee99 Aug 2013 #62

That's all okay Aerows Aug 2013 #63

There is something striking about that specific contrast. Octafish Aug 2013 #102

You think he suceeded!! nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #98

Apparently. He's not in jail, nor are his warmonger cronies. Octafish Aug 2013 #99

But that's not what you were claiming he was doing. Progressive dog Aug 2013 #100

Help me understand what you are talking about, then. Octafish Aug 2013 #104

Just go back and read your posts, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #106

''Money trumps peace.'' -- George Walker Bush*, ''president'' of the United States, Feb. 14, 2007 Octafish Aug 2013 #111

The issue back then was warrantless wiretapping. And many of us demanded we go back to FISA. stevenleser Aug 2013 #2

You forgot the sarcasm tag... villager Aug 2013 #3

You forgot the sarcasm tag when you just attacked Kennedy and Carter's law. stevenleser Aug 2013 #4

+1 Thank You dennis4868 Aug 2013 #6

I'm sure you'd acknowledge that things have changed quite a bit since the PATRIOT Act. EOTE Aug 2013 #8

+1 Thank you nt villager Aug 2013 #16

Probably not, for this particular person Aerows Aug 2013 #36

What a shame. EOTE Aug 2013 #41

To throw 1st Amendment rights to the wolves Aerows Aug 2013 #43

Jury result. Aerows Aug 2013 #107

So the FISA Act from 1977 is Kennedy's law? villager Aug 2013 #13

Google is your friend stevenleser Aug 2013 #15

So are non-hasty replies villager Aug 2013 #17

Prior to FISA the executive's surveillance power was inherent and unchecked Recursion Aug 2013 #119

The Church Committee and FISA (Bill Moyers) Octafish Aug 2013 #126

A law that is unconstitutional, has not worked and needs to be repealed. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #20

A law that has been upheld dozens of times in appeals courts you mean? nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #50

Have they approved the current interpretation? lark Aug 2013 #65

Have they struck down the current interpretation? nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #69

nice. Eko Aug 2013 #129

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2013 #30

Weak, man. Really weak. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #39

I explained all that when I covered it. Not knowing the facts and history and commenting? Thats weak stevenleser Aug 2013 #64

THE FISA COURT IS A RUBBER STAMP MNBrewer Aug 2013 #76

Oh, CAPS, well why didn't you use CAPS to begin with? That changes everything. stevenleser Aug 2013 #87

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #96

Since you offer no knowledge at all, I'll assume you are projecting. Besides... stevenleser Aug 2013 #110

I can't believe the vile shit slung at you by some DUers. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #132

I think it's an expression of their feelings of powerlessness and lack of a voice stevenleser Aug 2013 #134

You're a good egg, Steve. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #135

And of course your blog is the last word on this subject. East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #97

Glad I could be of assistance. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #108

+1 Thank you. nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #5

No, he's serious. Aerows Aug 2013 #35

I don't know. Kinda sad, really. villager Aug 2013 #37

"This is the Central Scrutinizer, all subsequent critical thinking is now banned." Enthusiast Aug 2013 #89

No Eko Aug 2013 #130

J. Edgar Hoover with Supercomputers Octafish Aug 2013 #21

SCREW FACTS!!! /sarcasm <---- cause this is needed here uponit7771 Aug 2013 #29

No offense Aerows Aug 2013 #42

REALLY!?! How is agreeing with a post with sarcasm (now noted) shouting neener neener!? uponit7771 Aug 2013 #48

Objection noted n/t Aerows Aug 2013 #52

Yes the pre-Patriot Act FISA. Do you support Obama's use of the Patriot Act? rhett o rick Aug 2013 #44

BUT there was NO teevee gnews HUGH & CRY! no stirring of the sheeples fears as now. pansypoo53219 Aug 2013 #46

Nope. bvar22 Aug 2013 #71

You should post that clip as an OP. It pretty much says it all. dawg Aug 2013 #80

Because... dennis4868 Aug 2013 #7

The great DUer bobthedrummer did the job back in 2003... Octafish Aug 2013 #25

"Conspiracy Theorists"?? Wilms Aug 2013 #9

CT is a pejorative term over used by those that blindly follow their leaders. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #45

I think that was sarcasm Aerows Aug 2013 #53

I recognized the sarcasm. Just saw an opportunity to put in my two rhett o rick Aug 2013 #78

LOL! n/t Aerows Aug 2013 #92

I really should consider the sarcasm tag. Wilms Aug 2013 #90

No it's cool. I got it and I am usually the one that doesnt. See post #78 above. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #103

The story officially starts in 1981... Octafish Aug 2013 #86

Why do I find myself bookmarking ALL your threads? Thanks, so much for the history and perspective. chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #113

Well,the hair on fire crowd needs some kind of justification for not caring until now. railsback Aug 2013 #11

Before Obama tripled the amount of oversight? pnwmom Aug 2013 #12

Snowden provided the evidence for that Recursion Aug 2013 #120

Thanks for explaining. I had misunderstood "oversight" to mean "surveillance." pnwmom Aug 2013 #121

Gotcha. "Oversight" is one of those weird words that means its own opposite Recursion Aug 2013 #123

With over 2000 abuses that they are admitting. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #14

So which is it, there are no audits/oversight or there is? Pick a lane. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #28

Doesn't matter what lane they pick the NSA will never ever be able to meet the standard of HOF uponit7771 Aug 2013 #34

There are oversights Aerows Aug 2013 #58

----asdlkfae'ek##--- oops, mistypedd� crap.. mispelled� darn railsback Aug 2013 #51

Boston Marathon Aerows Aug 2013 #60

Oh, I thought the U.S. was spying on EVERYBODY railsback Aug 2013 #93

Tripled the oversight - that's a lie Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #18

4 X 0 = 0 rhett o rick Aug 2013 #22

Oversight now-a-days means to fly a drone over the site and take pictures. RC Aug 2013 #82

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2013 #31

Let's talk about this "triple oversight". Looks to me like there is zero oversight. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #40

It will never be enough railsback Aug 2013 #49

Snort.... blackspade Aug 2013 #59

Stop laughing. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #91

Yeah, kills the Greenwald action movie coming out railsback Aug 2013 #95

Because there was still hope that a government headed by Cerridwen Aug 2013 #19

The treatment afforded RFK, Jr. made me wonder if this was Parallel Hell Hole Bus Stop No. 9. Octafish Aug 2013 #88

Remember them? Hell, I are one 'o them. Cerridwen Aug 2013 #94

K&R! Octafish, rockin' the spot since forever! n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #23

Others have changed their mind and now think it's peachy. hootinholler Aug 2013 #24

Tip of the iceberg. JEB Aug 2013 #26

K&R. The excuses and deflections never stop. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #27

Deja DU: Are ALL COMMUNICATIONS routed overseas to circumvent US law and the Constitution? Coyotl Aug 2013 #33

WE DID ..... Triana Aug 2013 #38

This is all a part of the "Its not real" propaganda campaign. bvar22 Aug 2013 #77

Many of us fought for our fourth Amendment rights then as now. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #47

Dont'cha know once Obama got in all of the Republicans in charge at the NSA were transformed,... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #57

kick for truth... Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #54

I was posting Glenn Greenwald's columns about it back in the day ... meegbear Aug 2013 #55

I knew it was a threat the moment I saw the movie Sneakers PatrynXX Aug 2013 #56

Truth! k&r Little Star Aug 2013 #61

Because The Black Tax is in full effect. Has been since the guy raised Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2013 #66

Thanks for this! I thought it was just me (I'm a "conspiracy theorist" from way back). nt silvershadow Aug 2013 #67

2006 bigtree Aug 2013 #68

Thanks, bigtree! Great information, yours. Octafish Aug 2013 #127

Probably they did not have such Helen Borg Aug 2013 #70

because it's being pushed by the right wing after being started by haters/clowns S.&G. ...nt uhnope Aug 2013 #72

Yes it CAN Happen Here � The Impending Death of American Democracy Octafish Aug 2013 #115

finally we go Godwin with this NSA panic. uhnope Aug 2013 #116

The hell with Godwin. Nothing funny about the NAZI influence on America's secret government. Octafish Aug 2013 #122

Obama wasn't President and an easy target of DUers like he is today George II Aug 2013 #73

Sen. Obama warned about Patriot Act abuses. President Obama proved him right. Octafish Aug 2013 #124

An excellent bookmarkable answer, but the question is silly as hell. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #74

Well you have not changed Octafish zeemike Aug 2013 #75

Yes, many of us were called 'paranoid' especially after it was discovered that some Democrats sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #79

The Professional Paranoid Octafish Aug 2013 #83

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #81

I remember, Octafish. Blue_In_AK Aug 2013 #84

WE expected this from THEM. nt ileus Aug 2013 #85

I notice something Octafish. Rex Aug 2013 #101

DU can be a Truth Machine Octafish Aug 2013 #105

Same here bro. Rex Aug 2013 #109

"Time Wasters" How accurate!!!!! n/t slipslidingaway Aug 2013 #118

New generation has turned up. Neoma Aug 2013 #112

Some sure did! robertpaulsen Aug 2013 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Aug 2013 #117

K&R. Yes indeed. Overseas Aug 2013 #125

Why not quarbis Aug 2013 #128

It was then (by some of us)..... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #131

because a democrat is in office and they know we will pile on..... spanone Aug 2013 #133