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sarisataka

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107. Even so it would not cause explosions

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:30 PM

Aug 2013

harking back to the days when I transported hazmat...

Small arms ammunition is classed as an explosive for transport but is more accurately a flammable solid. The powder burns really fast and if contained the produced gas will, in layman's terms, explode.
True explosives, TNT, C4, black powder... react differently chemically and will explode when ignited whether or not they are contained.
Explosives and ammunition need to be shipped in separate containers because an ignition of one may cause a sympathetic reaction in the other causing explosion or greater fire.

Typing this has given me a thought. Military ammo is stored in the ever popular ammo cans. It provides excellent weather protection and long term storage safety, but... it is possible for the metal cans to be a pressure container allowing the gas to build up. (Don't ask how I know that... I have a Marine 'friend' who gets bored out on the demo range, yeah that's it) With a heat source from a small to moderate fire, combined with powder ignited by the heat could cause an explosion leading to a chain reaction. I'm not 100% sure but it seems plausible in my mind.

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Tennessee father and son dead after AR-15 goes off and ammunition-filled room explodes [View all] phantom power Aug 2013 OP

Sounds like Dad shouldn't have been in possession of a BB gun, let alone an arsenal. TwilightGardener Aug 2013 #1

too bad booley Aug 2013 #14

Sounds t me like dad was putting together some explosive stuff. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #131

it's unfortunate that the kid got caught up in the old man's dumbfuckery.. frylock Aug 2013 #2

No, no, no, no... guns never accidentally discharge jberryhill Aug 2013 #4

Guns are negligently discharged all the time hack89 Aug 2013 #10

They don't accidentally discharge. Instead, people screw up. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #16

The story is missing an important fact jberryhill Aug 2013 #3

They were probably impressed with COLGATE4 Aug 2013 #21

Where did the friends GO? CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #98

Maybe if those "friends" had helped put out the firs when it was small, the father and son bluestate10 Aug 2013 #111

What would you think if I lit the room on fire.. jberryhill Aug 2013 #127

AD's are pretty rare. ileus Aug 2013 #5

Well for sure we got two DBs and at least one less DA CBGLuthier Aug 2013 #11

"Accidental discharge" is just another term for "negligent discharge" nt rdharma Aug 2013 #19

No, they are two different things Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #24

No, they are the same........ rdharma Aug 2013 #45

Do you really put a mechanical failure in the same category as behavioral negligence? aikoaiko Aug 2013 #135

No, I don't. Mechanical failures are almost non-existant. "Operator malfunctions" aren't! rdharma Aug 2013 #136

I think that is what Ileus was talking about when he compared AD with ND. aikoaiko Aug 2013 #137

And I'm telling you..... "accidental discharges" are ALL "negligent discharges". rdharma Aug 2013 #138

I'm telling you that others consider mechanical failures that lead to discharges to be accidental. aikoaiko Aug 2013 #139

Maybe we're in agreement...... rdharma Aug 2013 #141

I agree. aikoaiko Aug 2013 #142

If injuries or death resulted with the Rem. 700s (mechanical failures),....... rdharma Aug 2013 #143

Nope... bobclark86 Aug 2013 #27

No. That's known as a "mechanical failure". rdharma Aug 2013 #56

Those "one explosion right after another" sounds HubertHeaver Aug 2013 #6

Operative word being "fire". sir pball Aug 2013 #18

Except that paint cans and solvent don't throw slugs at ~700 m/s. Motown_Johnny Aug 2013 #22

Bullets don't "throw slugs" unless they're in a chamber. sir pball Aug 2013 #28

That was pretty good Motown_Johnny Aug 2013 #44

A .223/5.56 mm case weighs about 100 grains tularetom Aug 2013 #62

A cartridge cannot propel a bullet with any meaningful velocity without being in a firing chamber. sir pball Aug 2013 #146

You fail at physics Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #29

So the idiot and his son are "less" dead because they died in a fire instead of an explosion....... rdharma Aug 2013 #46

Same dead, but now you have the most likely explanation. ManiacJoe Aug 2013 #69

I'd say you are probably right on smoke inhalation. rdharma Aug 2013 #79

I've been told that by other gun folks mainer Aug 2013 #23

No - because the bullet will be forced out of the cartridge hack89 Aug 2013 #30

I would expect people listening to the rounds cooking off... Bay Boy Aug 2013 #50

Both fire and primer impacts will cause a round to go off. ManiacJoe Aug 2013 #70

True, but anyone who has burned ammunition can tell you they don't actually explode 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #82

Meh, two less Republican voters. Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #7

Since one of the dead was 12 years old sarisataka Aug 2013 #42

sadly he's not the only one Union Scribe Aug 2013 #54

Apparently the deaths of some children sarisataka Aug 2013 #57

Jury voted 3-3 to keep. (nt) TacoD Aug 2013 #60

Some days I feel sarisataka Aug 2013 #61

I hope not. n/t Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #64

Yeah, 12 year old that's probably going to grow up to be another fascist gun nut Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #63

Really... sarisataka Aug 2013 #65

Not celebrating the 12 year olds death Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #66

I do not know if the dad was sarisataka Aug 2013 #67

Most Greens and Democrats Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #68

I don't pro-rate sarisataka Aug 2013 #74

So by your rationale its perfectly OK for the US to bomb innocent children in Afghanistan... npk Aug 2013 #73

No, I actually don't care about Republicans because of what they did in Afghanistan Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #77

I could say the same thing about children who's parents commit terrorist acts all over the world npk Aug 2013 #78

Problem with that is most of the dead children in Iraq Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #80

You miss the entire point npk Aug 2013 #83

Oh spare me the bullshit are you any better than them crap Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #85

Uh wow. npk Aug 2013 #88

I said it before and I'll say it again Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #90

Well I will most likely be dead in 80 years, but I get your point npk Aug 2013 #94

It's amazing what people are willing to say isn't it? nt Union Scribe Aug 2013 #96

I think the poster is very frustrated over several issues and I get some of that frustration npk Aug 2013 #99

People like you are frightening. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #93

there have been many people including on DU who have had shitty wingnut Gun Nut type parents JI7 Aug 2013 #151

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #43

I am not sure. One was 12 years old and only came into the room to help his father. bluestate10 Aug 2013 #115

If he didn't, sucks to be him. Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #129

I'm in favor of strong gun control. I'm not in favor of your callousness toward a child. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #121

Then mourn for him all you want Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #128

Then you've lost your humanity, and you're of no use to anyone DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #130

And despite all he has said, DU juries support him. oneshooter Aug 2013 #134

LOL. I'm hardly a sociopath, and I hate to break it to you Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #148

I only know about you what you've shared, namely, that you're happy a child is dead. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #149

If you would get off your self righteous high horse, you might see that Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #150

Jesus H. Christ on a trailer hitch. Stupid-ass father! Little Star Aug 2013 #8

yay, guns! KG Aug 2013 #9

Aw c'mon, you can't blame this on guns jberryhill Aug 2013 #13

see guns dont kill people dumbasses starting fires in ammo rooms do leftyohiolib Aug 2013 #25

Since the fire was started by a gun, it seems fair to label it thus. riqster Aug 2013 #55

Mothers. Do you have a gun nut husband? Do you love your children? onehandle Aug 2013 #12

How about a pool? Socal31 Aug 2013 #152

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #15

This doesn't add up, at least in terms of "killed in an OMG EXPLOSION" sir pball Aug 2013 #17

I agree. I have seen lots of fires with ammo, seen lots of guns fired, this doesn't smell right. Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #20

They may have been storing a lot of black powder. n/t Ganja Ninja Aug 2013 #39

I agree. There had to be something like an uncased storage of black powder. bluestate10 Aug 2013 #118

They usually aren't lethal. NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #125

I gather you didn't watch the first ten seconds of that video jberryhill Aug 2013 #26

An AR probably wouldn't keep cycling Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #31

Might there have been more than one gun in the room? jberryhill Aug 2013 #37

We know a rifle lit the fire sir pball Aug 2013 #33

We know they claim the rifle started the fire, the investigation is ongoing Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #34

The thing is jberryhill Aug 2013 #40

No. The focus is on the negligent discharge of the idiot's AR-15....... rdharma Aug 2013 #49

If there is a silver liing to all of this gun nuttery, I guess it's that so many of these gun owners OregonBlue Aug 2013 #32

Another responsible billh58 Aug 2013 #35

You have a link that shows southern states are exporting guns to Illinois and New York npk Aug 2013 #76

A quick billh58 Aug 2013 #81

You stated that "Southern states are 'exporting' guns to Illinois and New York." npk Aug 2013 #84

I should have said billh58 Aug 2013 #86

I agree with you on the south has lax gun laws npk Aug 2013 #89

I agree that it will billh58 Aug 2013 #92

Tougher Federal laws won't change this Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #91

How to know when your gun nuttery has gotten out of hand. Ganja Ninja Aug 2013 #36

No shit BainsBane Aug 2013 #95

A room full of ammo is nuts. The guy must not have had a job. How does one bluestate10 Aug 2013 #120

Might not be eligible for a Darwin Award corkhead Aug 2013 #38

See what happens to modern sporting ammunition in a fire. MicaelS Aug 2013 #41

Good video! ManiacJoe Aug 2013 #75

I remember posting an article where the fire department refused to fight a fire in which Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #47

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #48

celebrating the death of a child. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #52

Something is not right in this story sarisataka Aug 2013 #51

I'm assuming a reloading setup also. ileus Aug 2013 #58

meaning gunpowder? BainsBane Aug 2013 #102

That could Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #104

It totally caused an explosion on the Borgias BainsBane Aug 2013 #106

Unless contained sarisataka Aug 2013 #108

What if the room was literally wall to wall with ammo? BainsBane Aug 2013 #97

Ammo doesn't go up like that Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #100

burn? BainsBane Aug 2013 #101

No, it wasn't ammo starting the fire Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #103

Two possible theories BainsBane Aug 2013 #105

Where was that? rdharma Aug 2013 #145

Even so it would not cause explosions sarisataka Aug 2013 #107

He could very well have had that BainsBane Aug 2013 #110

By that standard... sarisataka Aug 2013 #113

how old are your children? BainsBane Aug 2013 #114

Six and nine sarisataka Aug 2013 #116

She must be a Hunger Games fan. BainsBane Aug 2013 #122

She's reading the book sarisataka Aug 2013 #123

I don't quite get how the discharging of the AR-15 Bay Boy Aug 2013 #53

The guy must have had something in the room that ignited easily. All around, he was an bluestate10 Aug 2013 #124

My vote is still on meth lab Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #133

Sad that had to happen. Jazzgirl Aug 2013 #59

At least you are not cheering Sissyk Aug 2013 #71

Maybe all his back issues of Guns and Ammo caught fire GreatCaesarsGhost Aug 2013 #72

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #87

Darwin wins again. nt Ruby the Liberal Aug 2013 #109

I wonder whether the father was mouthing rightwing drivel as he waved the AR-15 around? nt bluestate10 Aug 2013 #112

It is always very sad to hear stories like this, peace be with the child! N/T Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #117

It is always sad to hear stories like this, peace be with the child. Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #119

Live by the gun, die by the gun burnodo Aug 2013 #126

Typical gun idiots gopiscrap Aug 2013 #132

But, but...I was told here by local residents nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #140

Sad the son had to pay for the father's incompetence. n/t UtahLib Aug 2013 #144

Darwin award. Zoeisright Aug 2013 #147

This is sad. bravenak Aug 2013 #153