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markpkessinger

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32. Straw man

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:34 PM

Aug 2013

The U.S. government makes its wishes known to allies and non-allies alike all the time, and nobody particularly objects. The objections arise when there is an implied threat of force or coercion that accompanies such an expression.

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Intellectual Dishonesty 101: "We can't tell the U.K. what to do" [View all] markpkessinger Aug 2013 OP

We can tell anyone what to do, and they can tell us to piss up a rope. nt MADem Aug 2013 #1

Right -- and the U.K. is SO likely to do that . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #3

They can't Hydra Aug 2013 #5

You get real--you mouth off with the "Jesus Fucking Christ" like you have inside knowledge, but all MADem Aug 2013 #6

Here- Snowden dumped on the UK and exposed them. OF COURSE THEY WANT THE INFO STOPPED KittyWampus Aug 2013 #29

If the U.S. did tell them what to do, the ProSense Aug 2013 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author MADem Aug 2013 #26

I'm sure that line of discussion will come around, in time! nt MADem Aug 2013 #28

Straw man markpkessinger Aug 2013 #32

Found out yesterday we've detained Laura Poitras 40 times (!!!!!), Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #2

By we do you mean... one_voice Aug 2013 #7

The US. Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #10

Ok, thank you.. one_voice Aug 2013 #11

Funny. Nuts was exactly the term I used. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #15

I think we did the right thing by staying out of it. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #4

You really believe the U.S. just "stayed out of it?" markpkessinger Aug 2013 #17

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Marrah_G Aug 2013 #33

Yeah, that'll show me. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #34

Advance notice=total control Progressive dog Aug 2013 #8

Raising an objection . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #14

"Had the administration raised an objection," Progressive dog Aug 2013 #22

There is no conflict between saying . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #24

If you had said that at first, it wouldn't have been Progressive dog Aug 2013 #25

I didn't think I had to . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #31

Well then, why would they do what the US told them to do? Progressive dog Aug 2013 #35

"Why would they do what the US told them to do?" markpkessinger Aug 2013 #37

You said "It is a given that the U.K. is a sovereign country, to whom the U.S. cannot dictate" Progressive dog Aug 2013 #44

We DID tell the UK what to do. It's not like Snowden is revealing THEIR secrets. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #9

Good point n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #16

Totally wrong, Snowden did finger surveillance operations in the UK, Germany, Canada, Australia, NZ KittyWampus Aug 2013 #20

Snowden leaked US intel, he never worked for Germany or the UK and never "spied" on them. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #36

Rusbridger: "Given that there were other copies and we could work out of America..." ProSense Aug 2013 #12

It's not like they're Egypt or something. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #18

There is a fine line to be walked here. randome Aug 2013 #19

Good, let's move on shall we? Savannahmann Aug 2013 #21

Sequester. Voting rights. Gun control. randome Aug 2013 #23

None of those are considered important according to polling. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #38

I think DU looks 'stupid as hell' right now. randome Aug 2013 #41

More important is a matter of perception. Savannahmann Aug 2013 #43

They can still choose to do otherwise treestar Aug 2013 #27

Not necessarily. Britain had its own reasons pnwmom Aug 2013 #30

To clarify the OP a bit . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #39

While totally forgetting that most of us JoeyT Aug 2013 #40

Put another way: They wouldn't do it if we objected. DirkGently Aug 2013 #42