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aikoaiko

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139. I'm telling you that others consider mechanical failures that lead to discharges to be accidental.

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 09:00 PM

Aug 2013

They are accidental discharges because negligence wasn't involved.

I don't know what kind of shooting experience you have, but most shooters I know consider mechanical failures to be the only true accidental discharges.

You are correct that most unintended discharges are due to negligence

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Tennessee father and son dead after AR-15 goes off and ammunition-filled room explodes [View all] phantom power Aug 2013 OP

Sounds like Dad shouldn't have been in possession of a BB gun, let alone an arsenal. TwilightGardener Aug 2013 #1

too bad booley Aug 2013 #14

Sounds t me like dad was putting together some explosive stuff. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #131

it's unfortunate that the kid got caught up in the old man's dumbfuckery.. frylock Aug 2013 #2

No, no, no, no... guns never accidentally discharge jberryhill Aug 2013 #4

Guns are negligently discharged all the time hack89 Aug 2013 #10

They don't accidentally discharge. Instead, people screw up. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #16

The story is missing an important fact jberryhill Aug 2013 #3

They were probably impressed with COLGATE4 Aug 2013 #21

Where did the friends GO? CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #98

Maybe if those "friends" had helped put out the firs when it was small, the father and son bluestate10 Aug 2013 #111

What would you think if I lit the room on fire.. jberryhill Aug 2013 #127

AD's are pretty rare. ileus Aug 2013 #5

Well for sure we got two DBs and at least one less DA CBGLuthier Aug 2013 #11

"Accidental discharge" is just another term for "negligent discharge" nt rdharma Aug 2013 #19

No, they are two different things Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #24

No, they are the same........ rdharma Aug 2013 #45

Do you really put a mechanical failure in the same category as behavioral negligence? aikoaiko Aug 2013 #135

No, I don't. Mechanical failures are almost non-existant. "Operator malfunctions" aren't! rdharma Aug 2013 #136

I think that is what Ileus was talking about when he compared AD with ND. aikoaiko Aug 2013 #137

And I'm telling you..... "accidental discharges" are ALL "negligent discharges". rdharma Aug 2013 #138

I'm telling you that others consider mechanical failures that lead to discharges to be accidental. aikoaiko Aug 2013 #139

Maybe we're in agreement...... rdharma Aug 2013 #141

I agree. aikoaiko Aug 2013 #142

If injuries or death resulted with the Rem. 700s (mechanical failures),....... rdharma Aug 2013 #143

Nope... bobclark86 Aug 2013 #27

No. That's known as a "mechanical failure". rdharma Aug 2013 #56

Those "one explosion right after another" sounds HubertHeaver Aug 2013 #6

Operative word being "fire". sir pball Aug 2013 #18

Except that paint cans and solvent don't throw slugs at ~700 m/s. Motown_Johnny Aug 2013 #22

Bullets don't "throw slugs" unless they're in a chamber. sir pball Aug 2013 #28

That was pretty good Motown_Johnny Aug 2013 #44

A .223/5.56 mm case weighs about 100 grains tularetom Aug 2013 #62

A cartridge cannot propel a bullet with any meaningful velocity without being in a firing chamber. sir pball Aug 2013 #146

You fail at physics Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #29

So the idiot and his son are "less" dead because they died in a fire instead of an explosion....... rdharma Aug 2013 #46

Same dead, but now you have the most likely explanation. ManiacJoe Aug 2013 #69

I'd say you are probably right on smoke inhalation. rdharma Aug 2013 #79

I've been told that by other gun folks mainer Aug 2013 #23

No - because the bullet will be forced out of the cartridge hack89 Aug 2013 #30

I would expect people listening to the rounds cooking off... Bay Boy Aug 2013 #50

Both fire and primer impacts will cause a round to go off. ManiacJoe Aug 2013 #70

True, but anyone who has burned ammunition can tell you they don't actually explode 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #82

Meh, two less Republican voters. Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #7

Since one of the dead was 12 years old sarisataka Aug 2013 #42

sadly he's not the only one Union Scribe Aug 2013 #54

Apparently the deaths of some children sarisataka Aug 2013 #57

Jury voted 3-3 to keep. (nt) TacoD Aug 2013 #60

Some days I feel sarisataka Aug 2013 #61

I hope not. n/t Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #64

Yeah, 12 year old that's probably going to grow up to be another fascist gun nut Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #63

Really... sarisataka Aug 2013 #65

Not celebrating the 12 year olds death Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #66

I do not know if the dad was sarisataka Aug 2013 #67

Most Greens and Democrats Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #68

I don't pro-rate sarisataka Aug 2013 #74

So by your rationale its perfectly OK for the US to bomb innocent children in Afghanistan... npk Aug 2013 #73

No, I actually don't care about Republicans because of what they did in Afghanistan Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #77

I could say the same thing about children who's parents commit terrorist acts all over the world npk Aug 2013 #78

Problem with that is most of the dead children in Iraq Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #80

You miss the entire point npk Aug 2013 #83

Oh spare me the bullshit are you any better than them crap Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #85

Uh wow. npk Aug 2013 #88

I said it before and I'll say it again Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #90

Well I will most likely be dead in 80 years, but I get your point npk Aug 2013 #94

It's amazing what people are willing to say isn't it? nt Union Scribe Aug 2013 #96

I think the poster is very frustrated over several issues and I get some of that frustration npk Aug 2013 #99

People like you are frightening. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #93

there have been many people including on DU who have had shitty wingnut Gun Nut type parents JI7 Aug 2013 #151

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #43

I am not sure. One was 12 years old and only came into the room to help his father. bluestate10 Aug 2013 #115

If he didn't, sucks to be him. Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #129

I'm in favor of strong gun control. I'm not in favor of your callousness toward a child. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #121

Then mourn for him all you want Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #128

Then you've lost your humanity, and you're of no use to anyone DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #130

And despite all he has said, DU juries support him. oneshooter Aug 2013 #134

LOL. I'm hardly a sociopath, and I hate to break it to you Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #148

I only know about you what you've shared, namely, that you're happy a child is dead. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #149

If you would get off your self righteous high horse, you might see that Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #150

Jesus H. Christ on a trailer hitch. Stupid-ass father! Little Star Aug 2013 #8

yay, guns! KG Aug 2013 #9

Aw c'mon, you can't blame this on guns jberryhill Aug 2013 #13

see guns dont kill people dumbasses starting fires in ammo rooms do leftyohiolib Aug 2013 #25

Since the fire was started by a gun, it seems fair to label it thus. riqster Aug 2013 #55

Mothers. Do you have a gun nut husband? Do you love your children? onehandle Aug 2013 #12

How about a pool? Socal31 Aug 2013 #152

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #15

This doesn't add up, at least in terms of "killed in an OMG EXPLOSION" sir pball Aug 2013 #17

I agree. I have seen lots of fires with ammo, seen lots of guns fired, this doesn't smell right. Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #20

They may have been storing a lot of black powder. n/t Ganja Ninja Aug 2013 #39

I agree. There had to be something like an uncased storage of black powder. bluestate10 Aug 2013 #118

They usually aren't lethal. NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #125

I gather you didn't watch the first ten seconds of that video jberryhill Aug 2013 #26

An AR probably wouldn't keep cycling Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #31

Might there have been more than one gun in the room? jberryhill Aug 2013 #37

We know a rifle lit the fire sir pball Aug 2013 #33

We know they claim the rifle started the fire, the investigation is ongoing Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #34

The thing is jberryhill Aug 2013 #40

No. The focus is on the negligent discharge of the idiot's AR-15....... rdharma Aug 2013 #49

If there is a silver liing to all of this gun nuttery, I guess it's that so many of these gun owners OregonBlue Aug 2013 #32

Another responsible billh58 Aug 2013 #35

You have a link that shows southern states are exporting guns to Illinois and New York npk Aug 2013 #76

A quick billh58 Aug 2013 #81

You stated that "Southern states are 'exporting' guns to Illinois and New York." npk Aug 2013 #84

I should have said billh58 Aug 2013 #86

I agree with you on the south has lax gun laws npk Aug 2013 #89

I agree that it will billh58 Aug 2013 #92

Tougher Federal laws won't change this Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #91

How to know when your gun nuttery has gotten out of hand. Ganja Ninja Aug 2013 #36

No shit BainsBane Aug 2013 #95

A room full of ammo is nuts. The guy must not have had a job. How does one bluestate10 Aug 2013 #120

Might not be eligible for a Darwin Award corkhead Aug 2013 #38

See what happens to modern sporting ammunition in a fire. MicaelS Aug 2013 #41

Good video! ManiacJoe Aug 2013 #75

I remember posting an article where the fire department refused to fight a fire in which Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #47

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #48

celebrating the death of a child. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #52

Something is not right in this story sarisataka Aug 2013 #51

I'm assuming a reloading setup also. ileus Aug 2013 #58

meaning gunpowder? BainsBane Aug 2013 #102

That could Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #104

It totally caused an explosion on the Borgias BainsBane Aug 2013 #106

Unless contained sarisataka Aug 2013 #108

What if the room was literally wall to wall with ammo? BainsBane Aug 2013 #97

Ammo doesn't go up like that Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #100

burn? BainsBane Aug 2013 #101

No, it wasn't ammo starting the fire Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #103

Two possible theories BainsBane Aug 2013 #105

Where was that? rdharma Aug 2013 #145

Even so it would not cause explosions sarisataka Aug 2013 #107

He could very well have had that BainsBane Aug 2013 #110

By that standard... sarisataka Aug 2013 #113

how old are your children? BainsBane Aug 2013 #114

Six and nine sarisataka Aug 2013 #116

She must be a Hunger Games fan. BainsBane Aug 2013 #122

She's reading the book sarisataka Aug 2013 #123

I don't quite get how the discharging of the AR-15 Bay Boy Aug 2013 #53

The guy must have had something in the room that ignited easily. All around, he was an bluestate10 Aug 2013 #124

My vote is still on meth lab Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #133

Sad that had to happen. Jazzgirl Aug 2013 #59

At least you are not cheering Sissyk Aug 2013 #71

Maybe all his back issues of Guns and Ammo caught fire GreatCaesarsGhost Aug 2013 #72

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #87

Darwin wins again. nt Ruby the Liberal Aug 2013 #109

I wonder whether the father was mouthing rightwing drivel as he waved the AR-15 around? nt bluestate10 Aug 2013 #112

It is always very sad to hear stories like this, peace be with the child! N/T Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #117

It is always sad to hear stories like this, peace be with the child. Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #119

Live by the gun, die by the gun burnodo Aug 2013 #126

Typical gun idiots gopiscrap Aug 2013 #132

But, but...I was told here by local residents nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #140

Sad the son had to pay for the father's incompetence. n/t UtahLib Aug 2013 #144

Darwin award. Zoeisright Aug 2013 #147

This is sad. bravenak Aug 2013 #153