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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
24. What the hell are you talking about?
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:44 PM
Aug 2013

The strategic victory is for Manning and his defense team.

Statement by Julian Assange on today’s sentencing of Bradley Manning
21 August 2013, 17:21 UTC

Today the well-known whistleblower Bradley Manning has been ordered by a military court in Maryland to spend a minimum of 5.2 years in prison with a 32 year maximum (including time already spent in detention), for revealing information about US government behaviour to the public.

This hard-won minimum term represents a significant tactical victory for Bradley Manning’s defense, campaign team and supporters. At the start of these proceedings, the United States government had charged Bradley Manning with a capital offence and other charges carrying over 135 years of incarceration. His defense team is now appealing to the US Army Court of Criminal Appeals in relation to this sentence and also for due process violations during the trial.

While the defense should be proud of their tactical victory, it should be remembered that Mr Manning’s trial and conviction is an affront to basic concepts of Western justice. On Mr Manning’s arrest in May 2010, he was immediately subjected to punitive incarceration by the US government, which was found to be "cruel, inhumane and degrading" by the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture, Juan Mendez, and even found to be unlawful by US military courts.

The period Mr Manning has already spent in prison will be subtracted from the sentence, and dispensations for good behaviour, parole and other factors mean that it is likely he will now spend less than ten years in confinement. Mr Manning’s defense team are now seeking to reduce this sentence further on appeal. US military law stipulates that the sentence can only be reduced. It is important that support for Bradley Manning continues during this time.

The only just outcome in Mr Manning’s case is his unconditional release, compensation for the unlawful treatment he has undergone, and a serious commitment to investigating the wrongdoing his alleged disclosures have brought to light.

Mr Manning’s treatment has been intended to send a signal to people of conscience in the US government who might seek to bring wrongdoing to light. This strategy has spectacularly backfired, as recent months have proven. Instead, the Obama administration is demonstrating that there is no place in its system for people of conscience and principle. As a result, there will be a thousand more Bradley Mannings.

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Yea well, victory for them, he gets to be their patsy. phleshdef Aug 2013 #1
Are you a patsy? RobertEarl Aug 2013 #3
Doing a good thing doesn't erase doing a bad thing. phleshdef Aug 2013 #5
Sure you would RobertEarl Aug 2013 #11
LOL, you don't see me doing anything. You don't know me. phleshdef Aug 2013 #14
I gotta say Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #13
That's been my position for a while now. riqster Aug 2013 #29
And you sound like leftynyc Aug 2013 #39
I agree Johonny Aug 2013 #7
OK, I missed it. What exactly "illegal" did Manning expose? Serious question because all links to kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #50
This pretty much sums up my view... one_voice Aug 2013 #61
Well, Julian should stay in his embassy cubicle until Manning feels the sun on his face again, IMO. MADem Aug 2013 #2
He sacrificed for you and all of us RobertEarl Aug 2013 #4
You have a lot of nerve lecturing anyone ProSense Aug 2013 #6
Praise tea baggers? RobertEarl Aug 2013 #9
No, you were praising teabaggers ProSense Aug 2013 #10
LOL, yea, that Bradley Manning, a modern day Jesus... phleshdef Aug 2013 #8
What are you smoking? RobertEarl Aug 2013 #12
I'm not "going after" anyone, but I spent 2003-2009 calling for Bush's impeachment. phleshdef Aug 2013 #16
you are getting a little better at this... snooper2 Aug 2013 #18
No he didn't. Nice speech, though. MADem Aug 2013 #28
Manning did, but Assange operates out of sheer ego. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #48
That's what a hero does leftynyc Aug 2013 #41
He was actually the... one_voice Aug 2013 #63
Concur--and he, of all of 'em, had the biggest personal issues. MADem Aug 2013 #64
Okay just lost all respect for Wiki Rex Aug 2013 #15
The reference is to the defense and Manning not to any kind of victory for Wikileaks. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #32
Thank you! Rex Aug 2013 #57
I know. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #59
You don't think there is a reason for it do you? Rex Aug 2013 #60
Nah, 'cause that would mean there's an agenda Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #62
Yep, more raining coming in too. Rex Aug 2013 #65
"It's not ABOUT Manning! It's about ME, Julian Assange!" struggle4progress Aug 2013 #17
What the hell are you talking about? Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #24
That's it, precisely. He's a little piglet for attention--it's noxiously obvious. MADem Aug 2013 #47
uh oh. bunnies Aug 2013 #19
Notice the posters here sliming Manning RobertEarl Aug 2013 #20
Most of the posters ProSense Aug 2013 #22
Who's sliming Manning? Jesus, you love to make shit up and insert unrelated crap into threads. MADem Aug 2013 #30
LOL! n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #67
Full statement by Julian Assange Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #21
"This hard-won minimum term represents a significant tactical victory for Bradley Manning’s defense" ProSense Aug 2013 #23
It's all about Julian.....and 35 years is a long, hard sentence. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #25
Saved from releasing the "insurance" files. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #26
James Blond is okay with 35 years? One can only hope that comes back to bite msanthrope Aug 2013 #27
I hope he's in the Embassy for at least as long as Manning is in the pokey. MADem Aug 2013 #31
I'll take a Swedish prison sentence of comparable length. As Prosence pointed out, now msanthrope Aug 2013 #33
You can donate via the Wikileaks site here: Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #36
Can you show me how much Wikileaks money went to Manning Legal Defense Fund? msanthrope Aug 2013 #38
The Defense Fund is here (which Wikileaks links to) Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #44
Right--show me how much money Wikileaks gave to Manning's IOLTA Legal Defense Fund--the msanthrope Aug 2013 #45
The last I heard, the Wau Holland Foundation, allowed Wikileaks to donate $15,000. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #51
15 k from wikileaks, and Courage to Resist spent 75% of donations on 'expenses' not legal fees??? msanthrope Aug 2013 #53
You haven't a clue what they do. Yes. Advertising. Prior to Courage to Resists campaigns on Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #54
How does an organization collecting for his 'defense' spent 75% of the money on things that are not msanthrope Aug 2013 #55
Believe it or not, being able to support Manning's defense also includes raising awareness of his Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #58
It takes 75% of 1.2 million to do that? This sounds to me like a huge Ponzi scheme..... msanthrope Aug 2013 #66
No he's not fucking okay with 35 years. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #35
Why are you carping at me about what that idiot thinks? MADem Aug 2013 #42
Wikileaks is praising the work of the defense. The comment wasn't about Wikileaks... Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #34
Wikileaks is full of shit. Manning isn't getting out with minimum time because he msanthrope Aug 2013 #37
I trust Col. Morris Davis's (Gitmo chief prosecuter) Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #40
That's not minimum time, my dear Luminous. And I bet if you asked Col. Morris would Manning's msanthrope Aug 2013 #43
You claimed that he won't get parole. Col. Davis disagrees. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #46
He won't if the feds still want his testimony. Refusal to help the authorities is a strike msanthrope Aug 2013 #49
Awful demanding, ain't ya? Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #52
You should see me on behalf of my clients. Here, I have a TOS that binds me. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #56
Assange is a sleazy attention whore JI7 Aug 2013 #68
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