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ellisonz

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24. It's a marriage made in heaven...
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 03:31 PM
Feb 2012

But what really makes them kinda scary compared to your straight White Supremacist is the extent to which they become true believers:

Writing the court, Garrison’s wife also styled her name and pleadings in line with arguments put forward by sovereign citizens around the country. To support their anti-government ideology, adherents to the movement have created a fanciful legal history of the United States and adopt unusual legal language they believe protects their status as “sovereign” citizens.

The law of the sea, they contend, has replaced what they call “common law” – not to be confused with the widely understood concept of common law – that was, in the sovereign citizen’s view, envisioned by the nation’s founders. Under their conspiracy theory, judges form the heart of the scheme to enslave Americans.

“They … believe that judges around the country know all about this hidden government takeover but are denying the sovereigns’ motions and filings out of treasonous loyalty to hidden and malevolent government forces,” the IRS special agent told the court.

“Under common law, or so they believe, the sovereigns would be free men. Under admiralty law, they are slaves, and secret government forces have a vested interest in keeping them that way.”


Your average Neo-Nazi often knows that most of society thinks he's a douchebag, but these guys think they're above it all. You start combining that fatalism into the Militia movement and it fast gets out of hand. How else do you get people conspiring to the launch a ricin attack from a Waffle House? There's an exceptional fantasy life for these people and they organize into cells.

(LaRouchies = cultists)

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I read the article and what crime did Shawn Rice commit to bring the FBI Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #1
Yeah that was an oversight in the article... ellisonz Feb 2012 #2
Ah. Another FBI plot of committing the crime in order to prosecute the crime. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #4
Entrapment has a very clear legal meaning. ellisonz Feb 2012 #5
How was he armed and dangerous? Was he threatening to kill Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #7
Yes he was armed dangerous and threatening. ellisonz Feb 2012 #8
Prior to that. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #9
Prior to that he failed to appear. ellisonz Feb 2012 #10
Failure to appear for a crime that the FBI organized. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #11
No one induced him to be a threat... ellisonz Feb 2012 #14
When the FBI starts throwing around terms like "Anti-Government Extremist"... Bonobo Feb 2012 #3
Let's get down to brass tacks. ellisonz Feb 2012 #6
Yes, unfortunately it may not just be rhetoric aimed at those people Bonobo Feb 2012 #12
Power is always open to abuse and the balance always isn't there... ellisonz Feb 2012 #15
No argument there. nt Bonobo Feb 2012 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #18
Agree with everything you've said here, ellisonz. countryjake Feb 2012 #13
Their whacko theory of individual sovereignty... ellisonz Feb 2012 #16
I worry about them, too. The ones up here are vehemently anti-Semitic... countryjake Feb 2012 #19
It's a marriage made in heaven... ellisonz Feb 2012 #24
Timothy McVeigh clones NNN0LHI Feb 2012 #20
the federal government has always targeted extreme right wing groups. madrchsod Feb 2012 #21
This is far more insidious in our communities than people realize. The Backlash Cometh Feb 2012 #22
Ooooh, money laundering. If only he was married to a congressperson, hughee99 Feb 2012 #23
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