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Black and Gold

(28 posts)
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 04:54 PM Feb 2012

Is "Obamacare" really the best idea? Thoughts on my idea? [View all]

Currently, the government allows employers to provide health insurance to employees on a tax-free basis. Therefore, employees prefer to be compensated in health insurance rather than wages because otherwise they would have to pay taxes on the money. So there is a built in preference for insurance. The result from that is an over-utilization of health insurance in the United States. This is one of the reasons that insurance and healthcare in general is so expensive.

People use insurance for things they shouldn't be using it for. In general, a person should use insurance for low-probability but high-cost things such as cancer or getting hit by a car. A person should not be using insurance for things such as spraining your ankle or getting the flu. This is routine medical care that people should have ample savings to pay for if the tax code did not favor insurance over cash.

Now we have a whole system where health insurance is coming from an employer. So if you lose your job, you lose your health insurance. It would be better if individuals were able to buy their own health insurance and take it with them regardless of where they happen to work. That would happen if the tax code is changed.

Plus, when an employer is buying the health insurance, they aren't as concerned about the cost because they aren't actually spending their money. They are spending their employee's money. They pass the buck on to the employee. So if an employee offers health insurance, they are taking it out of the wages that they would have paid you if they weren't paying you health insurance.

If insurance was taken out of the employment process, not only would insurance be a lot cheaper, but medical procedures would be a lot cheaper and people would not be over-using the healthcare system because they would perceive a cost. People would then be shopping around to get the best prices they can. This will introduce competition back in to healthcare, and prices will continue to come down over time. Look at areas of medicine that fall outside of insurance coverage, such as Lasik eye surgery. The costs have continued to come down because people have to shop around for the best prices because they are paying out-of-pocket. There is competition, and that is something that is desperately needed in healthcare.

Another way to bring insurance costs down is to allow insurance to be purchased over state lines. This is currently illegal, but it would increase competition even more, which leads to lower prices due to more companies looking to win your business.

Then there are those 46 million Americans who are uninsured. 1/3 of those make more than $50,000 per year and choose not to purchase health insurance, probably because of cost. Health-savings accounts would be a good idea for those Americans, and a change in the tax code would help with that. Another 1/3 are eligible for medicaid, but have not taken advantage of that for whatever reason.

So there are a few things that would make both healthcare costs and insurance costs cheaper for everybody by introducing market forces back into the system. I feel like "Obamacare" is going in the wrong direction and actually exacerbating the problem in the industry.

Thoughts? Constructive criticism?

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Health insurance as we now use it is a "wage" in leu of money. Employers are concerned about the Vincardog Feb 2012 #1
Excellent post, thank you DJ13 Feb 2012 #2
Any time You are welcome Vincardog Feb 2012 #4
I'll be honest. It could have been A HELL a lot better. I think it is a water down mess BUT it Justice wanted Feb 2012 #3
I find it interesting that now even people on the left call it "Obamacare" bluestateguy Feb 2012 #5
The OP is not on the left CreekDog Feb 2012 #8
I just use it Black and Gold Feb 2012 #9
does your plan cover everybody? CreekDog Feb 2012 #16
it is total bullshit noiretextatique Feb 2012 #40
One possible problem I see is the insurance itself. expatriate2mex Feb 2012 #6
You are assuming that the insurance companies aren't the biggest part of the problem. FarLeftFist Feb 2012 #7
I want to Black and Gold Feb 2012 #13
Uh, it's called health insurance, not cancer insurance. FarLeftFist Feb 2012 #17
That "incentivising" sounds reasonable, but what are you going to do when ... surrealAmerican Feb 2012 #41
Is it the best idea? C'mon. That is a ridiculously high standard to critique any law. Skinner Feb 2012 #10
I think at this point, it would be a good time SunsetDreams Feb 2012 #15
But it got through congress without Dokkie Feb 2012 #31
I was very dissatisfied with "Obamacare" for several reasons, and you have very thoughtfully... northoftheborder Feb 2012 #11
Until profit is taken out of the healthcare/insurance industry, there will be no perfect solution. liberal N proud Feb 2012 #12
Obamacare was what was possible but other systems that are socialized do better for less CreekDog Feb 2012 #14
Because I don't Black and Gold Feb 2012 #19
Do you know how much a doctors visit is?! FarLeftFist Feb 2012 #20
Universal care only happens in *more* socialized systems CreekDog Feb 2012 #21
That is... Black and Gold Feb 2012 #27
Yet, here you are complaining about Obamacare, which gives the PRIVATE SECTOR millions of new FarLeftFist Feb 2012 #28
You're ignoring the rest of the world's health care systems --which is why you're wrong CreekDog Feb 2012 #29
Please tell me... Black and Gold Feb 2012 #30
you're against Obamacare, you're against socialized medicine of any kind CreekDog Feb 2012 #36
Pretty ProSense Feb 2012 #22
I'd also argue that the scheme isn't intended to be implemented, just used to undermine Obamacare CreekDog Feb 2012 #24
Exactly. The previous Republican talking point was "repeal and replace." subterranean Feb 2012 #44
RWingers think attacking Obamacare is winning political tactic. DCBob Feb 2012 #18
Well, I have some thoughts, but I MineralMan Feb 2012 #23
I know the feeling, SunsetDreams Feb 2012 #25
There is definitely a better system loyalsister Feb 2012 #26
The best idea??? It isn't even a good one. TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #32
We need single payer. Socialized health care. Quantess Feb 2012 #33
your "over-utilization" premise is questionable, at best noiretextatique Feb 2012 #34
What do you mean Black and Gold Feb 2012 #35
and therein lies the problem noiretextatique Feb 2012 #38
I'm sorry but SunsetDreams Feb 2012 #39
I am not sure I either understand or agree with your premise renie408 Feb 2012 #42
Aww. You were so young, too. DevonRex Feb 2012 #37
you are ignoring the reasons why it's employer-based Enrique Feb 2012 #43
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