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120. So was Ellsberg. Your point is what? Bush and Cheney were guilty too, although I'd still

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 11:08 PM

Aug 2013

prefer to see them get a FAIR TRIAL rather than have a 'foregone conclusion'. We do claim to abide by the rule of law and even scum like War Criminals deserve a fair trial.

It's telling that you admit the US has sunk so low that a Whistle Blower is convicted before he even has a trial. Worse, once the CIC called him a criminal, in a just society, that would have caused the whole ridiculous circus to have been dismissed.

But we are far from being a just society.

Manning's crime was abiding by the Oath he took when he joined the military. But you are correct, abiding by that Oath is a crime in the US.

Manning is hero. All heroes break laws for the greater good. Including the Founding Fathers who were guilty of treason. It's a good thing they avoided arrest and didn't surrender to 'face the consequences of their actions'.

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The Whistle Blower gets 35 years. When do we get to the War Criminals he exposed? [View all] sabrina 1 Aug 2013 OP

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BTW...she's transgender. nt Zorra Aug 2013 #37

Yes, have you read the war logs where Manning talks about these issues? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #53

BTW .... what the hell does that have to do with this article? dothemath Aug 2013 #66

It has NOTHING to do with the article, bvar22 Aug 2013 #86

ALL they have left HangOnKids Aug 2013 #95

There are people on these forums smiling with glee at this sentence. 1awake Aug 2013 #2

But if it happened during the Bush era, there would not be a single supporter of this outrage. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #7

Yea I know, and i don't think they care. Support at all costs, screw morals and beliefs. n/t 1awake Aug 2013 #8

I love that insignia ... sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #9

Feel free.. made in a fit of frustration lol. n/t 1awake Aug 2013 #11

Lol, very creative way to vent frustration! sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #20

Your graphic is awesome! n/t truedelphi Aug 2013 #108

The hypocrisy is staggering. LWolf Aug 2013 #15

Sociopaths don't experience that emotion. They have no shame. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #21

these celebrated thugs Chaco Dundee Aug 2013 #60

They don't, they have zero capacity to empathize with other human beings. How we ever allowed sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #81

we can hope and edjucate. Chaco Dundee Aug 2013 #84

I agree, but having tried to do that for over a decade now, I haven't seen much progress. Still sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #87

33 years Chaco Dundee Aug 2013 #102

Kudos for trying. There have been a few break throughs, the Freedom Fries Congressman eg sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #116

thank you. Chaco Dundee Aug 2013 #126

Absolutely. I am sorry about your losses, it is heart-breaking to think how many wonderful lives sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #144

thanks again Chaco Dundee Aug 2013 #146

He didnd't "espose" any war criminals. kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #35

Did we? Then what happened? Why were they not prosecuted? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #39

Blind loyalty to any politician, Barack Obama or anyone else is very destructive IMO. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #49

+1 NealK Aug 2013 #67

Creeps me out too. bvar22 Aug 2013 #89

I completely agree. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #69

horse manure Egnever Aug 2013 #134

If you think 35 years is merciful I'd hate to see your definition of what he deserved. And 1awake Aug 2013 #137

Yes, the person who exposed war crimes should get life while the War Criminals are being sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #143

Don't hold your breath. nt City Lights Aug 2013 #3

You heard the ruling elite on that one - "off the table" were the words. nt TBF Aug 2013 #4

That was the first warning we had of how things were going to be. She never explained that sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #90

I wouldn't want to talk about it either if I were her - TBF Aug 2013 #93

She never responds to questions about that. People do ask her at protests etc, she gets sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #98

It's interesting, but not surprising... Scootaloo Aug 2013 #5

He's a hero no matter what they do to him. This will likely only make him more of a hero sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #6

I've talked about US criminality against foreigners to right-wingers cpwm17 Aug 2013 #56

Interesting post, thak ou. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #111

Seems our current Dem. Adminstration does indeed want to defend the Bush war criimes: dixiegrrrrl Aug 2013 #10

Amazing that we once thought that if we elected democrats things would begin to change. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #12

What we failed to realize is that they can be bribed with loads of campaign cash just like Repugs! Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #59

Absolutely, you are 100% correct imo. Public funding, every candidate has the same sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #83

It's insane. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #105

K&R. n/t myrna minx Aug 2013 #13

K&R&(a very sad)LOL. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #14

K&R for Truth Tellers Octafish Aug 2013 #16

John Fugelsang was making this very same point moments ago bullwinkle428 Aug 2013 #17

Yeah, Steph is one of the loudest cheerleaders. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #19

Wasn't her father a Republican Senator or Congressman? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #117

Didn't see that yet, but it is being noted around the Internet that the War Criminals have yet to sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #30

Whoever says that "Crime doesn't pay" is wrong. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #42

That should be posted all over the country. Concise and to the point and true. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #121

Thank you Bradley. You are a Hero!!! PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #18

Are these war criminals rich? abelenkpe Aug 2013 #22

Here's a photo of them, I would say they are obscenley wealthy, but I could be wrong: sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #31

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #23

DURec leftstreet Aug 2013 #24

The day we get to the war criminals, I'll be right there with my knitting needles Catherina Aug 2013 #25

Lol, and I will join you. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #64

deFarge joke or Demolition Man joke? but I wonder how many years Old Gimlet Eye would've gotten MisterP Aug 2013 #76

Mme deFarge. The needles have sharp sharp points Catherina Aug 2013 #78

So far, it looks like we'll have to wait until we can get some Real Democrats to replace the sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #96

Behring Breivik killed 77 children, got less time. My Lai massacre got less time Catherina Aug 2013 #101

All those issues SHOULD be of paramount importance in the next election. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #118

one problem is the war criminals you reference have incredibly good lawyers, know how to line up KittyWampus Aug 2013 #26

One little thing they have that you forgot. They have the US Government protecting them, sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #33

In an alternate universe, the USA and its governing officials truedelphi Aug 2013 #109

of course the verdict was forgone HE WAS GUILTY AND ADMITTED IT. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #119

So was Ellsberg. Your point is what? Bush and Cheney were guilty too, although I'd still sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #120

... Solly Mack Aug 2013 #27

Nothing. The war criminals and the people responsible for prosecuting them NuclearDem Aug 2013 #28

We only punish the easy targets, the BFEE is way above the law. Rex Aug 2013 #29

K&R. It's a very sad day, just one of many since Obama was elected. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #32

Let's get real: we will never "get" the "real war criminals." malthaussen Aug 2013 #34

Obama DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to George W. Bush For Iraq War HomerRamone Aug 2013 #36

These two stories being in the news on the same day. Now that's irony. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #40

Yes, I just saw that earlier. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #43

The hits just keep on comin'. If "Democrats" nominate another neocon for President Zorra Aug 2013 #48

Something has to change in the way we elect people to office. One thing we can do is sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #122

Maybe we need a People's PAC dreamnightwind Aug 2013 #133

People have lost trust. A people's pac is a possibility, so long as the money only goes to sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #135

K & R historylovr Aug 2013 #38

Free Bradley Manning limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #41

I am calling upon President Barack Obama to issue a full pardon to Bradley totodeinhere Aug 2013 #44

I'm sure you can show... one_voice Aug 2013 #45

Anyone who calls Manning a traitor is supporting the protection of Bush war criminals. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #52

That "trial" was a sick joke. NealK Aug 2013 #68

Yes, it was, as expected. And it's ludicrous to the use the argument that 'military takes these sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #71

yep stupidicus Aug 2013 #46

But he hurt some feelings by exposing lies. dougolat Aug 2013 #57

and that's infinitely worse than stupidicus Aug 2013 #70

So now when RoccoR5955 Aug 2013 #47

Yes, I'm going to find the petition for the Nobel Peace Prize for Manning and start sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #58

Big K&R! blackspade Aug 2013 #50

K&R forestpath Aug 2013 #51

Unfortunately Manning doesn't have the kind of power and money it takes to buy his freedom. Bush and liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #54

They are not defending the bush administration nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #55

That clearly is the elephant in the room that both the defenders of the vindictive punishment of any Dragonfli Aug 2013 #72

I guess is all that reading of history nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #74

Whether they are doing it consciously or unconsciously, when they agree to silence and sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #124

This is where we differ...I gave up on the D-R mythology nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #127

You're not alone on that anymore.. I am hearing this from more and more people on both sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #129

Why would they be upset? nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #130

They were distracted by trivia. 'Did you see what Limbaugh said today about Liberals' sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #136

Rush who? nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #139

He served his purpose, his schtick isn't working anymore. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #140

I'm not sure it is no longer working nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #141

I am humbled by his awesome bravery. He will always be MY hero. joanbarnes Aug 2013 #61

See Henry Kissinger for an example of our "justice" system. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #62

Manning made TPTB look bad gopiscrap Aug 2013 #63

I read recently this is 17 times the sentence DirkGently Aug 2013 #65

You know what? I don't care for the letter behind the name nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #75

Good point. But those letters may be useful in helping others frame DirkGently Aug 2013 #77

Perfect example: NealK Aug 2013 #79

Excellent research! DirkGently Aug 2013 #113

Well, to be honest someone posted the quote the other day. NealK Aug 2013 #114

Unbelievable. I am going to have to bookmark this because that very Amendment is the same one that sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #142

More and more people are beginning to see that. They are getting careless. For a while we sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #80

What they fear is a voter revolt nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #88

K&R woo me with science Aug 2013 #73

It breaks my heart. Autumn Aug 2013 #82

You are not alone. We have become what we said we were fighting. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #85

Either they never read Nietzsche... malthaussen Aug 2013 #91

Blind greed and lust for power. They don't see or care about anything but controlling the sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #104

Outrageous colsohlibgal Aug 2013 #92

The shame of it all is that if he had followed the whistle blower laws hack89 Aug 2013 #94

That is pure BS. See Drake and Binney. whose revelations should have sparked sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #103

The Military Whistleblower Protection Act of 1988 doesn't apply to them hack89 Aug 2013 #106

Really? All he had to do was what DRAKE AND BINNEY DID!! sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #128

No - he was persecuted for leaking information to a reporter. Which is illegal. hack89 Aug 2013 #138

Backtracking now? You said that the way to go was to follow the Whistle Blower Protection rules. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #145

Instead of that imaginary law in your head hack89 Aug 2013 #147

Maybe you should look at the people who did everything according to the rules of the Whistle sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #148

Drake leaked material to Siobhan Gorman of The Baltimore Sun hack89 Aug 2013 #149

Ever heard the saying, "Justice may be blind, but it can smell money"? n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #97

No, but I will remember it. It sounds pretty accurate. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #99

It seems to me warrprayer Aug 2013 #100

Kick! NealK Aug 2013 #107

Good Question and what about the Torturers...the Multi-National Corporations..the KoKo Aug 2013 #110

So he was convicted of "whistleblowing"? 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #112

Whistle Blowing is now terrorism in the US. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #115

I voted for Kucinich. flvegan Aug 2013 #123

That's what every Democrat should do next time. If, and I can't see it not happening, they sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #125

The Obama Administration is going full speed ahead on prosecutions under the Espionage Act. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #131

Sometimes I read comments like that from Obama, which is why I supported him. Then sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #132