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CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
14. Obamacare was what was possible but other systems that are socialized do better for less
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 05:30 PM
Feb 2012

So in the absence of better systems like they have in Western Europe and Japan which provide universal health care, do it at lower cost than we do and provide it to their whole population, clearly those systems are doing better than ours. But in the absence of that option here, Obamacare is better than what you're proposing, which actually will take away health care from people.

Your post says nothing about chronic conditions, preexisting conditions, preventative care, people with low incomes, etc.

It also says that people prefer to be paid less to get health care --no, that's your ill-founded conclusion.

And the rest of it is Republican talking points without the most obvious Republican buzz words.

--heath savings accounts instead of low cost routine care
--buying insurance across state lines as panacea
--not getting health care through work but not saying how people will afford it or even be offered a decent policy apart from employer group rates
--you say that people making above 50k/year (and you act like that's a lot of money) are turning down insurance --when they may not qualify, or may not be able to afford it, or may be choosing between paying rent and eating and having insurance

Again, Republican talking points. And for what it's worth, the Republicans had 6 years to put these things into effect if they wanted to, but they didn't. See these ideas aren't intended to become law, they are just intended to get people to not support what did become law.

A head fake really.

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Health insurance as we now use it is a "wage" in leu of money. Employers are concerned about the Vincardog Feb 2012 #1
Excellent post, thank you DJ13 Feb 2012 #2
Any time You are welcome Vincardog Feb 2012 #4
I'll be honest. It could have been A HELL a lot better. I think it is a water down mess BUT it Justice wanted Feb 2012 #3
I find it interesting that now even people on the left call it "Obamacare" bluestateguy Feb 2012 #5
The OP is not on the left CreekDog Feb 2012 #8
I just use it Black and Gold Feb 2012 #9
does your plan cover everybody? CreekDog Feb 2012 #16
it is total bullshit noiretextatique Feb 2012 #40
One possible problem I see is the insurance itself. expatriate2mex Feb 2012 #6
You are assuming that the insurance companies aren't the biggest part of the problem. FarLeftFist Feb 2012 #7
I want to Black and Gold Feb 2012 #13
Uh, it's called health insurance, not cancer insurance. FarLeftFist Feb 2012 #17
That "incentivising" sounds reasonable, but what are you going to do when ... surrealAmerican Feb 2012 #41
Is it the best idea? C'mon. That is a ridiculously high standard to critique any law. Skinner Feb 2012 #10
I think at this point, it would be a good time SunsetDreams Feb 2012 #15
But it got through congress without Dokkie Feb 2012 #31
I was very dissatisfied with "Obamacare" for several reasons, and you have very thoughtfully... northoftheborder Feb 2012 #11
Until profit is taken out of the healthcare/insurance industry, there will be no perfect solution. liberal N proud Feb 2012 #12
Obamacare was what was possible but other systems that are socialized do better for less CreekDog Feb 2012 #14
Because I don't Black and Gold Feb 2012 #19
Do you know how much a doctors visit is?! FarLeftFist Feb 2012 #20
Universal care only happens in *more* socialized systems CreekDog Feb 2012 #21
That is... Black and Gold Feb 2012 #27
Yet, here you are complaining about Obamacare, which gives the PRIVATE SECTOR millions of new FarLeftFist Feb 2012 #28
You're ignoring the rest of the world's health care systems --which is why you're wrong CreekDog Feb 2012 #29
Please tell me... Black and Gold Feb 2012 #30
you're against Obamacare, you're against socialized medicine of any kind CreekDog Feb 2012 #36
Pretty ProSense Feb 2012 #22
I'd also argue that the scheme isn't intended to be implemented, just used to undermine Obamacare CreekDog Feb 2012 #24
Exactly. The previous Republican talking point was "repeal and replace." subterranean Feb 2012 #44
RWingers think attacking Obamacare is winning political tactic. DCBob Feb 2012 #18
Well, I have some thoughts, but I MineralMan Feb 2012 #23
I know the feeling, SunsetDreams Feb 2012 #25
There is definitely a better system loyalsister Feb 2012 #26
The best idea??? It isn't even a good one. TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #32
We need single payer. Socialized health care. Quantess Feb 2012 #33
your "over-utilization" premise is questionable, at best noiretextatique Feb 2012 #34
What do you mean Black and Gold Feb 2012 #35
and therein lies the problem noiretextatique Feb 2012 #38
I'm sorry but SunsetDreams Feb 2012 #39
I am not sure I either understand or agree with your premise renie408 Feb 2012 #42
Aww. You were so young, too. DevonRex Feb 2012 #37
you are ignoring the reasons why it's employer-based Enrique Feb 2012 #43
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