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RainDog

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126. yeah, that was Nixon's "out" to ignore the recommendation

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:40 AM

Aug 2013

it was supposed to be revisited - and when it was, and was again recommended as medically safe, the drug warriors created a standard for scheduling that would never allow a plant to be classified as medicine.

we now have ample evidence that cannabis is not a schedule 1 substance (i.e. no medical value.)

even so, as a plant, cannabis cannot meet the standard of a medicine, according to the way in which medicines are established for use in this nation.

...which is why Jared Polis' legislation is good stuff because it removes cannabis from the oversight of the DEA and puts in under the bureau of tobacco, firearms, alcohol... and marijuana.

If the plant were simply decriminalized at the federal level, it would be possible for states to work out their laws without the interference of those federales who are in the pocket of one lobbying group or another.

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No change in marijuana laws coming, White House says [View all] babsbunny Aug 2013 OP

More hope and change? Blue_In_AK Aug 2013 #1

the war on drugs is needed to help justify the militarization of the police drhobo Aug 2013 #6

Yep, same with the "War on Terror" used to justify the shredding of the 4th amendment. n/t Daniel537 Aug 2013 #21

Senate Sub-committee report: The war on drugs is a racket RainDog Aug 2013 #39

The 'corrections industry' would collapse... Blanks Aug 2013 #48

No hope for change. progressoid Aug 2013 #38

We were just giving the hope that things would change not the change. Lint Head Aug 2013 #127

Barack Obama is wrong about this, and he deserves scorn for his continued position. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #2

He is a Hypocrite! Phlem Aug 2013 #53

Change isn't coming....it's here. Jesus Malverde Aug 2013 #3

damn right it's here. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #176

the alcohol peddlers & DEA's bloated bureaucracy rejoice nt msongs Aug 2013 #4

Obviously, as a former doper himself... malthaussen Aug 2013 #5

heh. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #36

Surprise, surprise, surprise. nt City Lights Aug 2013 #7

Just in...Dorritos parent company stock dives. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #8

. bunnies Aug 2013 #9

This is v disappointing. nt LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #10

I'm so pissed off right now, I can't even think of anything to say except cuss words. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #11

And no change in my attitude towards the administration is coming. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #12

How can that be true? AmyStrange Aug 2013 #13

Consistent. Bonobo Aug 2013 #99

ha ha AmyStrange Aug 2013 #106

Sleight of hand pscot Aug 2013 #111

Which one do I look at? Which one do I look at? Bonobo Aug 2013 #113

Not a change in law, a change in the approach to prosecution. MH1 Aug 2013 #103

Question M... AmyStrange Aug 2013 #110

I've wondered about this too RainDog Aug 2013 #121

Very well said... AmyStrange Aug 2013 #122

Intriguing thought, but I don't think so. MH1 Aug 2013 #158

Didn't they bypass that whole process with alcohol prohibition? AmyStrange Aug 2013 #163

. . . Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #14

Time for Congress to Step Up RainDog Aug 2013 #15

+1 SunSeeker Aug 2013 #68

Somewhere tonight there will be a $5,000.00 bottle of Pinot Noir opened. Socal31 Aug 2013 #17

We're jumping the gun. Billy Pilgrim Aug 2013 #18

yeah, right. I believe Holder about as far as I can throw him. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #20

Holder has supported sentencing reform RainDog Aug 2013 #22

He is always impotent unless something positive happens Marrah_G Aug 2013 #25

LOL n/t RainDog Aug 2013 #28

... SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #143

Oh bullshit burnodo Aug 2013 #37

Obviously marsis Aug 2013 #152

Wrong. The Justice Department has the authority to seek rescheduling. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #40

In case you don't know the history, Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #41

If that's true, well, that's sad Billy Pilgrim Aug 2013 #98

I'm not sure if it was Nixon who really got the War on Drugs rolling Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #170

I'm talking about the "official" version Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #174

I admit, I wasn't really paying attention to the drug war under Nixon Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #179

Eric Holder's "support" couldn't hold up a helium-filled balloon. winter is coming Aug 2013 #69

I think that the administration could change marijuana classification by itself cali Aug 2013 #132

I'M SHOCKED, SHOCKED I SAY!!!!! Daniel537 Aug 2013 #19

Why can't he just order a study on the medical uses or something? napoleon_in_rags Aug 2013 #23

Obama could instruct Holder to have the DEA reclassify RainDog Aug 2013 #26

lol! Poor Nixon. My apologies. napoleon_in_rags Aug 2013 #74

Nixon refused to take the advice of the best experts RainDog Aug 2013 #101

And back my impression of Nixon goes... Great stuff. napoleon_in_rags Aug 2013 #105

LOLOL RainDog Aug 2013 #108

Nixon actually appeared on Laugh-In... AmyStrange Aug 2013 #131

What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob, what is the matter with them? RainDog Aug 2013 #151

It's all about shaking your jowels while you say it.. napoleon_in_rags Aug 2013 #165

and here's the full commission report RainDog Aug 2013 #102

It was a kind of bait and switch... Catch 22... one of those things AmyStrange Aug 2013 #114

yeah, that was Nixon's "out" to ignore the recommendation RainDog Aug 2013 #126

And talk about Catch 22, having to get the NIDA's approval before you can do medical research... AmyStrange Aug 2013 #130

yeah, I'm familiar with his change of mind RainDog Aug 2013 #135

The administration supports MMJ in legal states. nt tridim Aug 2013 #44

Based on what evidence? n/t theaocp Aug 2013 #75

The thousands of legally operating dispensaries with no Fed intervention at all. tridim Aug 2013 #139

DEA Continues Crackdown on Medical Marijuana Dispensaries napoleon_in_rags Aug 2013 #83

Sure it does, that's why it's persecuting all of the largest, best run, and most transparent Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #124

Nothing at all. To even suggest such a thing would be be so cynical as to border on traitorous. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #125

it does NOT. That is a complete falsehood. you have a lot of nerve to say that shit. cali Aug 2013 #133

^ Every one of these responses is a lie. tridim Aug 2013 #138

This is BULLSHIT RainDog Aug 2013 #142

So the thousands of legally operating dispensaries with no fed intervention at all aren't real? tridim Aug 2013 #144

LOL RainDog Aug 2013 #147

Do we really need to give you a dictionary definition of "supports"? DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #156

It does not- no matter how many times you repeat that ludicrous claim cali Aug 2013 #148

That's an obvious-on-its-face lie. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #155

Because Pharma wouldn't like it dflprincess Aug 2013 #104

It's a good thing he didn't get caught when he was younger Marrah_G Aug 2013 #24

you said it best olddots Aug 2013 #29

Wonder how he would address that question should it be asked of him. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #149

Of course not. That would be actual "change," instead of bullshit lip service villager Aug 2013 #27

Droolingly stupid. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #30

welcome to my ignore list. Phlem Aug 2013 #61

Welcome to my ignore list. Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #76

"White House says" Mojo Electro Aug 2013 #31

Cowards RandiFan1290 Aug 2013 #32

The Figis have full access to MMJ in their state. Zero Federal intervention. nt tridim Aug 2013 #43

There's lots of places with legal MMJ and plenty of Federal intervention. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #47

And Holder has prosecuted the dispensary that supplies this mmj RainDog Aug 2013 #95

the feds might consider not throwing terminally ill people in prison for smoking pot, for now Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #128

Just rolling out the stupid today, aren't they? n/t Hydra Aug 2013 #33

This administration seriously sucks. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #34

Which is another lie burnodo Aug 2013 #35

I heard a distinct, "At this point" in the quote. tridim Aug 2013 #42

"At the point" means RainDog Aug 2013 #46

No, it means there is no change at this point. AKA today. tridim Aug 2013 #56

Oh please Caretha Aug 2013 #63

Exactly. Billy Pilgrim Aug 2013 #66

It is realistic to expect Holder to weigh in on legalization in CO and WA RainDog Aug 2013 #97

Jared Polis has repeatedly asked the admin to weigh in RainDog Aug 2013 #67

As I just stated, the admin is already discussing CO and WA. tridim Aug 2013 #140

Polis is complaining that Holder has failed to provide legislators information RainDog Aug 2013 #146

I'm not falling for that after the elections crap again. Obama can't be re-elected and Holder is liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #86

We heard the same shit about the 2012 elections! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #109

I believe I read this poster post exactly that about exactly this. After 2012... be patient! n/t cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #117

Yes it will occur after 2012. tridim Aug 2013 #141

I think it changed after November 2012. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #145

Right -- they'll do it in the next term. Oh, wait . . . n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #115

To be fair, Congress makes the laws LearningCurve Aug 2013 #45

Another issue where electoral politics defines morality burnodo Aug 2013 #49

Why not force the libertarians to see Republicans in action, then? RainDog Aug 2013 #50

Exactly. Why doesn't Rand Paul introduce some legislation? nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #70

he's probably against it burnodo Aug 2013 #73

Nope. Why do you think Rand Paul is now against it? nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #79

Republicans, including Paul, introduced hemp legislation RainDog Aug 2013 #80

It only allows nonnarcotic industrial hemp, and it does not appear to be going anywhere. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #88

so he only wants hemp legalized? burnodo Aug 2013 #90

oh yeah, Paul is an ass RainDog Aug 2013 #92

Agreed. Both Pauls are asses. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #93

yeah, but the administration could change classification which would make a cali Aug 2013 #134

Hope for Change in one hand and shit in the other CBGLuthier Aug 2013 #51

facepalm... Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #52

I am not surprised gopiscrap Aug 2013 #54

I remember when he lost the majority in congress Phlem Aug 2013 #55

That is just about the dumbest thing I've ever seen posted on DU. tridim Aug 2013 #58

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #60

Napoleon was right after all warrprayer Aug 2013 #57

No hope. No change. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #59

I didn't really expect change on that particular subject. Rex Aug 2013 #62

Why not? Lots of privately owned prisons to fill? Matariki Aug 2013 #64

After the CNN documentary sorefeet Aug 2013 #65

I agree. We all know this medicine helps people. If Obama doesn't know that by now he is liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #120

so done with this administration. whats hillarys stance btw? Garion_55 Aug 2013 #71

My first stop on positional questions for candidates. Chan790 Aug 2013 #81

blah. Garion_55 Aug 2013 #85

Well, it's not like he campaigned on CHANGE or anything. NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #72

Did Obama campaign on legalizing pot? SunSeeker Aug 2013 #77

He may as well have. that promise would have been as good as any of the others. nt NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #78

Really? He didn't end the war in Iraq? SunSeeker Aug 2013 #82

Really? NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #87

I'm glad the war in Iraq is over and my brother will finally be insured. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #91

About ending the war in Iraq. Bonobo Aug 2013 #100

Obama never "wanted to keep the troops in Iraq." He was always against the war. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #116

That's because he didn't campaign on it LordGlenconner Aug 2013 #154

When CA finally legalizes pot, then it will reach unstoppable momentum. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #157

Prop 19 failed for a variety of reasons RainDog Aug 2013 #162

The main reason is the stoner & youth vote did not come out big time. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #167

Jeff Mirons, who has studied this issue, disagrees with you RainDog Aug 2013 #168

Jeff Miron is a East Coast prof working for the Cato Institute. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #172

He's an economics professor at Harvard RainDog Aug 2013 #180

My intitial reaction, without looking at the replies, is: snappyturtle Aug 2013 #89

disappointing. I hope... one_voice Aug 2013 #94

Legalization reduces highway traffic fatalities. Why would we want that? Nt. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #96

LOL, another idiotic decision. Stay progressive Obama! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #107

But, it's ok that President Obama did it when he was young and mucifer Aug 2013 #112

A really good "investigative reporter" would track down EVERY member of "The Choom Gang" and cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #118

Bleh. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #119

Well, fuck him then. appal_jack Aug 2013 #123

And another missleading headline Egnever Aug 2013 #129

What was said is this: the Cole memo is in place, still RainDog Aug 2013 #136

Vast bureaucracies and billions of dollars don't or didn't depend on keeping gay marriage illegal Fumesucker Aug 2013 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #153

Explain how! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #160

Wrong place for my post. MineralMan Aug 2013 #150

Damn! In_The_Wind Aug 2013 #159

Well, of course not! blackspade Aug 2013 #161

yet, a Denver LEA claims mmj saved them from the recession RainDog Aug 2013 #164

EXACTLY! blackspade Aug 2013 #166

Is this guy going to change ANYTHING before his 8 years are up? davidn3600 Aug 2013 #169

Hope for Change? DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #178

I've long ran out of reasons to defend the corporate wing of the Democratic Party. livingwagenow Aug 2013 #171

He will find out soon, it's not up to him! B Calm Aug 2013 #173

THANK GOD! Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #175

Prohibition is a failed public policy...again. nt TeamPooka Aug 2013 #177