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Hekate

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119. None here. Didn't even know he was gay until a few days ago.

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:14 AM

Aug 2013

I was gobsmacked to discover that some people thought he was being criticized not because he talked a second person into putting that person's life and freedom at risk, but because he, Greenwald, was gay. (Or perhaps it was the other way around and Greenwald was sought out... sorry if I am getting brain cramp.)

It was very convoluted reasoning, imo -- if someone, such as perhaps a journalist, encourages another person, such as perhaps someone with a security clearance, to risk their life and freedom by breaking a law, then neither of them should be surprised to have their motives questioned, critiqued, and so on -- but somehow the implication was that since Greenwald is gay he shouldn't be attacked, and if you did attack you were homophobic. There were some strange threads. You note I am not using his initials as an abbreviation for his name.

That was pretty much how I learned that he is gay.

I don't know about the rest of this place. There are a few homophobes, but I don't think they are exactly "closeted."

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Anti-Greenwald and Miranda feeling on DU: how much is closeted homophobia? [View all] Ken Burch Aug 2013 OP

pretty much almost none HERVEPA Aug 2013 #1

There's definitely been some Recursion Aug 2013 #2

Spot on. last1standing Aug 2013 #11

How so? hrmjustin Aug 2013 #3

Not as much as some people think LearningCurve Aug 2013 #4

... JaneyVee Aug 2013 #5

Greenwald's sexual orientation is just another attack point. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #6

Would you care to back up that statement Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #28

He can't do it because his job is just to Cha Aug 2013 #122

Yeah, well, I know that Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #123

Indeed. Cha Aug 2013 #124

I wasn't even aware of his sexual orientation madokie Aug 2013 #71

Yes, I agree. (no text) Quantess Aug 2013 #102

It's the other way around, sorry. DEFENDING his sexual orientation has become an attack point... Hekate Aug 2013 #125

Authoritarian Booster League Derp at its finest. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #141

Uh huh Hekate Aug 2013 #142

I think a lot of it is homophobic. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #7

For me - NONE! jazzimov Aug 2013 #8

Thanks Dr. Phil n/t HangOnKids Aug 2013 #14

"If Greenwald truly LOVED Miranda" RetroLounge Aug 2013 #16

So what you are saying is that Miranda is an infant and can't make his own Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #44

Either Miranda is a full participant in this or he was a victim. pnwmom Aug 2013 #106

Stolen Materials? Proof? HumansAndResources Aug 2013 #115

"stolen materials" ocpagu Aug 2013 #118

So it is a Journalist's fault when a Government goes off the rails and decides to abuse sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #59

Wow. That's an... ah... "interesting" argument you've got there Scootaloo Aug 2013 #66

lol. That's one of the dumbest things I've read in a while. Sorry but it just is. Little Star Aug 2013 #79

I totally agree with you, jazzimov, if GG does love and care for Miranda he would have Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #137

What does the fact that they're married gay men Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2013 #9

Keep a close eye on this thread. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #10

That's already beginning to crop up. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #12

They already did RetroLounge Aug 2013 #17

Is like when... one_voice Aug 2013 #18

Here's a great example of homophobia directed at Greenwald. last1standing Aug 2013 #13

It is happening again up thread. HangOnKids Aug 2013 #15

Thanks for posting. I was not sure what the OP meant. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #19

As I said upthread, there aren't many homophobes at DU, but there are a few. last1standing Aug 2013 #27

I am on Mirt and we see our fair share of them. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #29

When I was a mod, during the DU 2.0 days, we saw plenty as well. last1standing Aug 2013 #30

I like to think that as well. In the past 10 days or so there were several who were removed in part hrmjustin Aug 2013 #32

I have to admit, I'm not encouraged by the results of my alert. last1standing Aug 2013 #33

You can re alert and hit the tos again. The alert will be recieved by the admins then. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #37

Thanks. For some reason I thought I could only alert once. last1standing Aug 2013 #39

No. You can always re-alert and hit the TOS. But you can't get a new jury, lol. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #41

Very unfortunate that seemingly unDemocratic homophobic trolls abound. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2013 #21

That's a common form of DU homophobic post, the type that juries consistently let slide. nt Zorra Aug 2013 #22

I know, I alerted on it. last1standing Aug 2013 #23

At least Skinner has seen a lot of these posts, and tombstones the bigots Zorra Aug 2013 #47

When did use of the term "lover" Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #24

^^^^^^^And another example crawls out from under a rock. last1standing Aug 2013 #25

Bwahahahaha!!! Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #36

There's certainly one and they're in this thread right now. last1standing Aug 2013 #40

Find a post of mine Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #46

You spit out the bullshit you posted above and then tell me to educate myself. last1standing Aug 2013 #60

You accused me of being a homophobe Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #65

I dont know why you are justifying yourself to this obvious troll. Egnever Aug 2013 #113

You're absolutely right. Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #117

First of all, they're married. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #107

I wouldn't have guessed using... one_voice Aug 2013 #99

That's exactly what it is. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #75

I'd say party/Obama loyalty accounts for almost all of it RZM Aug 2013 #81

Glenn is the leader, or principal on this issue treestar Aug 2013 #90

So the language has shifted? Lover, partner, significant other, spouse? ... Hekate Aug 2013 #127

Example: Obama used his lover, Michelle, HIS LOVER, to campaign for him! Zorra Aug 2013 #134

Really? Do the OP thing, okay? Because at one time in my lifetime "lover" seemed to be The Word... Hekate Aug 2013 #138

Here's the OP thing: Zorra Aug 2013 #143

oh. They just reach for any weapon that's handy. Broken bottles, board with rusty nails, a big rock. kenny blankenship Aug 2013 #20

I think this is the case for most. There are some that reach for that particular object TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #62

I would say some... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #26

Many of the gays here on DU don't like me after the Catholic bashing wars, but Cleita Aug 2013 #31

Very little. Behind the Aegis Aug 2013 #34

Mahalo, Behind the Aegis! n/m Cha Aug 2013 #121

Thanks, Behind the Aegis, for this... Hekate Aug 2013 #130

What about the flip side of the coin? Rstrstx Aug 2013 #35

I see the undertones grasswire Aug 2013 #38

What if a made a post titled: "anti-Obama feeling on DU: how much is closeted racism?" Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #42

I don't have the post you're referring to before me... last1standing Aug 2013 #43

Doesn't feel so good, does it? Union Scribe Aug 2013 #49

So you agree with me that this OP is silly? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #50

In that I've not seen anything about the Miranda incident Union Scribe Aug 2013 #54

fair enough Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #55

An addendum to clarify based on today's revelations. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #110

That charge has been made repeatedly. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #69

Exploded.... Bobbie Jo Aug 2013 #139

Yes... One Must Figure The Worst Possible Reason otohara Aug 2013 #45

Being gay is not a 'sexual preference' . Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #82

In the name calling starting with"Authoritarians," it took this long for "homophobia" to surface. nt UTUSN Aug 2013 #48

I feel so stupid. I only discovered Greenwald was gay yesterday when stories about Miranda started Rowdyboy Aug 2013 #51

"His sexuality is entirely irrelevant." Exactly, Rb, which is why there's Cha Aug 2013 #120

How many shrieked the only reason for discussing Russia's anti-gay laws was Snowden? KittyWampus Aug 2013 #52

Um I think that would be approximately two people here, both evicted. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #70

No, you only have to scroll back a few pages and find the fairly large number KittyWampus Aug 2013 #86

Please alert on anyone who is dismissing the overt repression of LGBT people in Russia. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #87

Thank heavens that mess died down. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #100

I hope none. bravenak Aug 2013 #53

Good god. How could anyone look at what authorities did, & not be horrified? snot Aug 2013 #56

They might not be taking an asshole book pimps word for it!? Jus sayin, if everytime the asshole uponit7771 Aug 2013 #57

What are you trying to say? That what no one denies happened, didn't? snot Aug 2013 #58

No one whom? I don't trust SnowGlen looking at the facts that are NOT in dispute they're both idiots uponit7771 Aug 2013 #63

No one is denying that this happened LeftishBrit Aug 2013 #61

Neither am I, I'm not denying I'm supporting it and under the terror arrest because of what they uponit7771 Aug 2013 #64

Just so you know, any reason or intellectual validity your arguments might have are lost in the Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #91

You preach to me about hyperbolics and claim I "intensly hate" these men?! Really?! come on... uponit7771 Aug 2013 #109

How many of us even knew Greenwald was gay before Miranda was detained? SwissTony Aug 2013 #67

I knew Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #80

Here is an epic 2011 thread attacking him for being gay and smearing DU's gay community along Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #83

Thanks, Captain and NWB. I avoid homophobic threads like the plague. n/t SwissTony Aug 2013 #93

I doubt that it's more than a tiny percentage. Just cali Aug 2013 #68

Some of it is. The Link Aug 2013 #72

Flip it around; is ANYTHING an LGBT person does immune from criticism? brooklynite Aug 2013 #73

You are claiming that it is not possible for criticism to be racist or Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #84

I'd be delighted to proceed... brooklynite Aug 2013 #88

Allow me to educate. GLBT people are just like other people, so criticism of us follow the same Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #95

and I repeat...show me any example of criticism of Greenwald or Miranda.... brooklynite Aug 2013 #98

See post #13 in this thread. Zorra Aug 2013 #104

Great post, Blue. nt Zorra Aug 2013 #105

I've seen a good amount of homophobia from the Greenwald bashers. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #74

I didn't realise HiPoint Dem was a 'Greenwald basher' Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #77

I notice the homophobia too... Also with Manning... Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #76

Not much... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #78

Much of it is. Much. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #85

None whatsoever treestar Aug 2013 #89

You claim " There there is only one right you do not have" to gay people but we have no right to Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #97

It's mostly closeted authoritarianism /nt Bragi Aug 2013 #92

I would say it's zero warrior1 Aug 2013 #94

Trash thread. nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #96

Joining you in that. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2013 #101

This line is just as silly as the "all Obama critics are really racists" meme. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #103

The "Gigi" schtick Puglover Aug 2013 #108

Well, it's all the same people who were shouting about ponies LeftyMom Aug 2013 #111

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #112

Care to elaborate on that comment? William769 Aug 2013 #114

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #116

what the heck did he say? Ken Burch Aug 2013 #132

Let's just say it was bad enough to be removed from DU. William769 Aug 2013 #133

fair enough. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #135

None here. Didn't even know he was gay until a few days ago. Hekate Aug 2013 #119

I have no opinion on Greenwald or Miranda. I no longer have any opinion on anything having to do kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #126

I think I can understand that Hekate Aug 2013 #131

Why is Neo-DU so obsessed with sexual orientation? tridim Aug 2013 #128

About the same amount as are attacking Obama because of his race n/t LadyHawkAZ Aug 2013 #129

oh, good night nurse markiv Aug 2013 #136

none here. Swamp Lover Aug 2013 #140