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In reply to the discussion: Fair is fair: I said "I want evidence the NSA is actually misusing data". We have that now. [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)32. No doubt
"I also take Wyden's point that the loophole in FISA is big enough to drive a truck through, at times. Ultimately, this oversight system needs to be better and more transparent, as President Obama himself said."
...there needs to be FISA reforms.
Still, what the release shows is the back-and-forth between the NSA and the FISA court in addressing compliance issues.
Court opinions shed light on unlawful NSA email collection
Judges were concerned about privacy intrusions on Americans stemming from the NSA's Internet data collection for foreign intelligence, documents show.
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The footnote described one of the other violations, which involved a different NSA program: the bulk collection of telephone calling records in the U.S. The NSA has amassed a huge database of so-called metadata for most telephone calls made in the country. The data include which numbers called which other numbers, the dates and times of calls and their duration...The violation the judge referred to was discovered in 2009 and apparently involved the process under which NSA analysts search the database looking for suspicious numbers.
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In a 2009 letter to Congress declassified several weeks ago, the Justice Department described "technical compliance problems" with the telephone data-collection program that the department said did not amount to "bad faith violations."
In the ruling released Wednesday, Bates said the standards had been "frequently and systemically violated."
The third violation, according to a statement by James R. Clapper, director of national intelligence, involved the bulk collection of U.S. Internet metadata. That data-collection program was discontinued in 2011. The portions of the court opinion describing that program were blacked out.
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http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nsa-fisa-20130822,0,5634625.story
Judges were concerned about privacy intrusions on Americans stemming from the NSA's Internet data collection for foreign intelligence, documents show.
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The footnote described one of the other violations, which involved a different NSA program: the bulk collection of telephone calling records in the U.S. The NSA has amassed a huge database of so-called metadata for most telephone calls made in the country. The data include which numbers called which other numbers, the dates and times of calls and their duration...The violation the judge referred to was discovered in 2009 and apparently involved the process under which NSA analysts search the database looking for suspicious numbers.
<...>
In a 2009 letter to Congress declassified several weeks ago, the Justice Department described "technical compliance problems" with the telephone data-collection program that the department said did not amount to "bad faith violations."
In the ruling released Wednesday, Bates said the standards had been "frequently and systemically violated."
The third violation, according to a statement by James R. Clapper, director of national intelligence, involved the bulk collection of U.S. Internet metadata. That data-collection program was discontinued in 2011. The portions of the court opinion describing that program were blacked out.
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http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nsa-fisa-20130822,0,5634625.story
There were clearly compliance issues. The description of them as technical issues likely relate to the attempts to bring the program into compliance.
The fact that the program was discontinued likely indicates the inability fix the problems and bring the program into full compliance.
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Fair is fair: I said "I want evidence the NSA is actually misusing data". We have that now. [View all]
Recursion
Aug 2013
OP
On the one hand the 2011 FISC ruling, which Wyden says still has not been fully enforced
Recursion
Aug 2013
#4
So you believe that they are storing75% of Americans' data, at least for the short term?
Th1onein
Aug 2013
#16
Actually re-reading WSJ it seems to be 75% of traffic is flagged for potential storage
Recursion
Aug 2013
#17
The case law concerns obtaining specific pen registers related to a specific criminal investigation.
JDPriestly
Aug 2013
#37
Noted. Also would like to say my respect for you has now grown for what it's worth. /nt
Dragonfli
Aug 2013
#14
Right, I didn't see any misuse in the OP either...just that the violations were flagged
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#41
+1 I am certain their plan is to present us with some purely decorative "reforms"
woo me with science
Aug 2013
#30
"Other declassified documents illustrate key House and Senate lawmakers were...
ProSense
Aug 2013
#38
That's like Assange saying Manning's conviction was a significant strategic victory
railsback
Aug 2013
#56