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loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
26. There is definitely a better system
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 05:49 PM
Feb 2012

Obama himself said that if we were starting from scratch he would advocate a single payer system. But, there are people who have built a profession (I'm talking about insurance agents not executives) as insurance agents. Vile as the insurance industry is, I don't feel comfortable complaining about corporations shipping manufacturing overseas while being more than happy to put people who have built their professional lives as insurance agents out of business.

"A person should not be using insurance for things such as spraining your ankle or getting the flu. This is routine medical care that people should have ample savings to pay for if the tax code did not favor insurance over cash."


What???? I certainly envy anyone who has any savings at all. Aside from that, untreated injuries and illnesses have put a strain on the health care system. The sprained ankle (which actually turns out to be a fracture. - This happened to me, BTW. Fortunately I caught it) that a person can't afford to see a dr. about turns into a major injury that leads to a significant disability.

Then there is the flu that leads to pneumonia.

All either of the above took was a flu shot and a good xray. Part of Obamacare is a focus on preventative care. It saves money, because for a long time people with the conditions listed above would put off going to the doctor because of the cost. By the time they get there the condition is worse and way more expensive than it would have been in the first place.

Among other things, single payer essentially wraps it all up into one payment and brings costs down. The HCR that is gradually going into effect with more regulation and embracing preventative medicine is a start toward reducing costs. It was the best Obama could get for now. The best thing that could happen would be for Insurance companies to get pissed about regs and bail out of the business. As they drop off, non profits and government funded agencies have to pick it up.



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Health insurance as we now use it is a "wage" in leu of money. Employers are concerned about the Vincardog Feb 2012 #1
Excellent post, thank you DJ13 Feb 2012 #2
Any time You are welcome Vincardog Feb 2012 #4
I'll be honest. It could have been A HELL a lot better. I think it is a water down mess BUT it Justice wanted Feb 2012 #3
I find it interesting that now even people on the left call it "Obamacare" bluestateguy Feb 2012 #5
The OP is not on the left CreekDog Feb 2012 #8
I just use it Black and Gold Feb 2012 #9
does your plan cover everybody? CreekDog Feb 2012 #16
it is total bullshit noiretextatique Feb 2012 #40
One possible problem I see is the insurance itself. expatriate2mex Feb 2012 #6
You are assuming that the insurance companies aren't the biggest part of the problem. FarLeftFist Feb 2012 #7
I want to Black and Gold Feb 2012 #13
Uh, it's called health insurance, not cancer insurance. FarLeftFist Feb 2012 #17
That "incentivising" sounds reasonable, but what are you going to do when ... surrealAmerican Feb 2012 #41
Is it the best idea? C'mon. That is a ridiculously high standard to critique any law. Skinner Feb 2012 #10
I think at this point, it would be a good time SunsetDreams Feb 2012 #15
But it got through congress without Dokkie Feb 2012 #31
I was very dissatisfied with "Obamacare" for several reasons, and you have very thoughtfully... northoftheborder Feb 2012 #11
Until profit is taken out of the healthcare/insurance industry, there will be no perfect solution. liberal N proud Feb 2012 #12
Obamacare was what was possible but other systems that are socialized do better for less CreekDog Feb 2012 #14
Because I don't Black and Gold Feb 2012 #19
Do you know how much a doctors visit is?! FarLeftFist Feb 2012 #20
Universal care only happens in *more* socialized systems CreekDog Feb 2012 #21
That is... Black and Gold Feb 2012 #27
Yet, here you are complaining about Obamacare, which gives the PRIVATE SECTOR millions of new FarLeftFist Feb 2012 #28
You're ignoring the rest of the world's health care systems --which is why you're wrong CreekDog Feb 2012 #29
Please tell me... Black and Gold Feb 2012 #30
you're against Obamacare, you're against socialized medicine of any kind CreekDog Feb 2012 #36
Pretty ProSense Feb 2012 #22
I'd also argue that the scheme isn't intended to be implemented, just used to undermine Obamacare CreekDog Feb 2012 #24
Exactly. The previous Republican talking point was "repeal and replace." subterranean Feb 2012 #44
RWingers think attacking Obamacare is winning political tactic. DCBob Feb 2012 #18
Well, I have some thoughts, but I MineralMan Feb 2012 #23
I know the feeling, SunsetDreams Feb 2012 #25
There is definitely a better system loyalsister Feb 2012 #26
The best idea??? It isn't even a good one. TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #32
We need single payer. Socialized health care. Quantess Feb 2012 #33
your "over-utilization" premise is questionable, at best noiretextatique Feb 2012 #34
What do you mean Black and Gold Feb 2012 #35
and therein lies the problem noiretextatique Feb 2012 #38
I'm sorry but SunsetDreams Feb 2012 #39
I am not sure I either understand or agree with your premise renie408 Feb 2012 #42
Aww. You were so young, too. DevonRex Feb 2012 #37
you are ignoring the reasons why it's employer-based Enrique Feb 2012 #43
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