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120. Greenwald has no obligation to inform the New York Times of what Poitras might have sent him

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:24 AM

Aug 2013

Arguably, Greenwald owes it to Poitras to not characterize what gets exchanged between them. It's their mutual journalistic business.

Greenwald is of course free to point out an objective inaccuracy in The New York Times story. Proper editing by them should have caught it, if Greenwald is to be believed.

If I was getting a letter from a woman and The New York Times said I "admitted" she wrote about a torrid affair I was having with her I'd feel free to say I never talked to them about the contents of the letter, if that was the case.

I wouldn't feel free to discuss the contents of the letter. Maybe it is a love letter, maybe we're discussing some used books I sold her.

The argument that I owe anyone an explanation hasn't been made. In Greenwald's case, as a journalist he owes it to his profession, and Poitras, to not babble about his business just because people are curious. Hopefully that point doesn't get missed by people reporting on this story.

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So, if I understand some people correctly -- if Bush detained Mr. Pitt's family that's be OK. [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author JaneyVee Aug 2013 #1

What a colorful imagination you have, vile, but colorful Dragonfli Aug 2013 #19

Greenwald admitted to the NY Times that Miranda was in possession of JaneyVee Aug 2013 #23

Go call your partner a mule and let us know how that works out for you! Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #27

Why would I call anyone not engaging in that activity a mule? It's just a term. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #30

Encrypted data surreptitiously transported is often said to use "couriers" Babel_17 Aug 2013 #40

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Every courier is carrying for someone else, and it can be contraband Babel_17 Aug 2013 #44

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You're missing my point Babel_17 Aug 2013 #61

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Uh, no, wikipedia doesn't say that Babel_17 Aug 2013 #66

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Wikipedia doesn't say the terms are interchangeable Babel_17 Aug 2013 #72

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"There are better and more accurate terms for lots of words" Babel_17 Aug 2013 #80

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Except other people deny your point Babel_17 Aug 2013 #84

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Snowden has not defected Babel_17 Aug 2013 #92

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That describes an attribute ("a manner"), it doesn't define it Babel_17 Aug 2013 #98

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Ok, your opinion counts of course but let's look at the wikipedia page you quoted from before Babel_17 Aug 2013 #100

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I'm listening Babel_17 Aug 2013 #103

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What happened to the poster I was replying to? Babel_17 Aug 2013 #121

Actually Snowden did not betray his country. His and our country, betrayed its citizens, namely us. RC Aug 2013 #109

Courier for a journalist employed by the newspaper that paid the courier's expenses. deurbano Aug 2013 #56

I'd forgotten about that, thanks! Babel_17 Aug 2013 #89

Ah, I see. So recording devices and encryption are now illegal to posses Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #29

No he did not and you will not find a single quote from him saying so. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #75

I know Luminous Animal they just keep spreading these f**k*ing lies. ugh! Little Star Aug 2013 #117

Your last paragraph is the first hint of homophobia in this thread CBGLuthier Aug 2013 #26

Until it became a convienient smear against someone's husband. It was only ever used Dragonfli Aug 2013 #41

Google the phrase "money mule". It will be an education. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #45

So,... in addition to drugs... Miranda was likely also a smuggler of cash to be laundered for Dragonfli Aug 2013 #49

Mule is a generic term in the context of smuggling - stop being obtuse hack89 Aug 2013 #51

Your entire premise is that journalism is a crime and the act of using a courier to transport Dragonfli Aug 2013 #57

My only premise is that mule applies to all smuggling, not just drugs. hack89 Aug 2013 #58

One does not "smuggle" what is legal, so no, the premise was far broader and your use of words like Dragonfli Aug 2013 #70

ok nt hack89 Aug 2013 #87

You do realize the word for the guy that sneaks people across the border is called Coyote right? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #52

Yes, and because no one is calling Miranda a Coyote, I assume even those that think him a drug mule Dragonfli Aug 2013 #59

That's what I thought, too. nt MADem Aug 2013 #77

The art was not stolen, it was not classified property of the US government either. MADem Aug 2013 #53

Tell me, should the NYT have been prosecuted as a "mule" for receiving stolen "Pentagon Papers"? Dragonfli Aug 2013 #67

They didn't carry the papers anywhere, and at the time they received them, there MADem Aug 2013 #71

Read up on the Pentagon Papers, you suffer from poor education if you do not know how Dragonfli Aug 2013 #78

You keep going on about "read up"--I got news for you, I "read up" on it while it was happening. MADem Aug 2013 #82

Huh, nice coincidence Babel_17 Aug 2013 #86

Mr Greenwald did not say� Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #79

Every time a paper states an error of fact about Greenwald, he takes to Twitter to blast them. MADem Aug 2013 #81

He did deny it via twitter. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #96

That falls a bit short of a denial--that sounds like a refusal to confirm, but NOT a denial. MADem Aug 2013 #104

So? Is that terrorism? Get a fucking warrant. morningfog Aug 2013 #20

Pretty good. Three mistruths in one short sentence cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #24

I didn't use quotation marks, I paraphrased. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #25

Classic troll thread-pounce. n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #47

Actually, Greenwald flat out denies that Miranda was carrying Snowden docs. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #74

Source? Citation? This we'll need to see. nt MADem Aug 2013 #91

No he doesn't--and the link you provided upthread is not a denial. MADem Aug 2013 #106

"The NYT got that wrong" And what did they get wrong? Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #113

Sorry, no sale--the salient portion is this: MADem Aug 2013 #119

Greenwald has no obligation to inform the New York Times of what Poitras might have sent him Babel_17 Aug 2013 #120

That is a crock of shit! He was carrying Poitras's Journalistic material when the detained him.... Little Star Aug 2013 #105

No, he didn't MNBrewer Aug 2013 #112

Yeah. I'm sure he called his husband a 'mule'. Matariki Aug 2013 #118

And it certainly would have nothing to do with our government. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #2

Who is Mr. Pitt? one_voice Aug 2013 #3

William Pitt. Long time DU poster. Wrote a book exposing the fraudulent intel used to justify Iraq. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #5

Oh, D'oh... one_voice Aug 2013 #9

FUCK YES! I wouldnt care if pits or whomever was far left either. Break the law like Snowden et al uponit7771 Aug 2013 #4

Bravo your law and order stance! LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #60

how silly. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #6

fuck yeah it would be ok... trumad Aug 2013 #7

lol... I mean if he was a Steeler fan that would be different! n/t 1awake Aug 2013 #10

Turns out the baby's mom is a Steelers fan. KamaAina Aug 2013 #88

At least he's not a Jets fan. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #11

Couple less bruins (aka SCUM) fans to worry about, too Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #48

You won the thread. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #94

Given his posts, he (and those associated with him) should be considered a possible terrorist burnodo Aug 2013 #8

What is wrong with you? nt Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #12

Oh, all kinds of things burnodo Aug 2013 #13

Perhaps I missed the sarcasm icon in your post. Care to expound on your post? Why would you imply Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #14

I based my statement on arguments made by others burnodo Aug 2013 #15

I must be too tired, usually catch the snark. nt Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #16

SNARK-NADO! Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #18

A terrifying thought! Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #21

Pffth! Dr. Strange Aug 2013 #31

Think you're tired? I thought it was Brad and couldn't figure out why we had Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #32

Would Mr. Pitt have given his spouse TS/SCI information DevonRex Aug 2013 #17

Much less to Snowden! It's not as if that was a surprise! VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #54

The cognitive dissonance here Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #22

Yes! Thinking that this morning! It's everywhere. snappyturtle Aug 2013 #33

It is demeaning. earthside Aug 2013 #28

^^^^^^^1,000! nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #34

"I thought maybe we had progressed further along than those kinds of old fashioned stereotypes." Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #35

So you admit...its not about Greenwald, its not about Snowden...its about Miranda! VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #55

Apparently you've never had a strong partner ... earthside Aug 2013 #102

ok so you agree...now Miranda has made himself complicit and deserves whatever he gets! VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #108

What crimes? earthside Aug 2013 #111

So far Snowden has been charged with crimes has he not? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #115

Greenwald has not committed any crimes!!! Little Star Aug 2013 #114

Of course not. Marr Aug 2013 #36

Why is DU getting so dumb? treestar Aug 2013 #37

$200 to the charity of your choice if you can prove your statement DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #85

He had some of the documents. treestar Aug 2013 #122

Of course he was involved--his plane tickets were paid for by the Guardian. MADem Aug 2013 #93

Well, is he a mule? Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #38

No, he was not charged with carrying drugs within his body. At least such was not reported... Dragonfli Aug 2013 #43

Good point. We see the homophobic undercurrents of the Miranda-mule talking points. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #50

Errrr....that's not how it's done. MADem Aug 2013 #65

That is such a disgusting term, they seem to be enjoying the usage of it. Autumn Aug 2013 #62

It is obvious, the same posters using this used the effeminate GiGi for as much mileage as they Dragonfli Aug 2013 #73

Courier for a journalist employed by the newspaper that paid the courier's expenses. deurbano Aug 2013 #68

Greenwald called him an "in between" to Anderson Cooper. MADem Aug 2013 #110

If Will had given his spouse stolen, classified documents whilst she was traveling internationally KittyWampus Aug 2013 #39

Once those stolen Documents that whistle blower Snowden turned over to... Little Star Aug 2013 #116

They had to detain Mr. Pitt's family to ensure he would go looking for the zombie virus cure. Liberal Veteran Aug 2013 #63

They should have been detained for Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Horrible movie. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #97