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53. You're ignoring how broad the opinion actually is

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:01 PM

Aug 2013

The opinion doesn't mention the particular technology of pen registers. It says (accurately) that routing data is by its technical nature so non-private that it can't be afforded Constitutional protection, anymore than where you tell a cab driver to take you is private.

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Fair is fair: I said "I want evidence the NSA is actually misusing data". We have that now. [View all] Recursion Aug 2013 OP

Took long enough RobertEarl Aug 2013 #1

You are one cool bean. n/t cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #2

What's the evidence? Narkos Aug 2013 #3

On the one hand the 2011 FISC ruling, which Wyden says still has not been fully enforced Recursion Aug 2013 #4

That's good. The NSA Narkos Aug 2013 #5

Well, "abuse" implies an intent finding I'm not in a position to make Recursion Aug 2013 #6

Geez. So, if they did it, it was, as Clapper said, unintentional? Th1onein Aug 2013 #49

I had no doubt you would eventually see it... dkf Aug 2013 #7

That's not the end of the story, though, is it? Th1onein Aug 2013 #8

You mean the stuff he said about the NSA reading your thoughts as you type? Recursion Aug 2013 #9

Let's not veer off into lalaland. You know what I'm talking about. Th1onein Aug 2013 #11

Depends on what you mean by "almost all" Recursion Aug 2013 #12

But you think that storing our data is okay, right? Th1onein Aug 2013 #13

It's for the most part unlawful Recursion Aug 2013 #15

So you believe that they are storing75% of Americans' data, at least for the short term? Th1onein Aug 2013 #16

Actually re-reading WSJ it seems to be 75% of traffic is flagged for potential storage Recursion Aug 2013 #17

Looking is bad. STORING is worse. Much worse. Th1onein Aug 2013 #19

0.025% of all traffic monitored is stored. joshcryer Aug 2013 #22

According to a google search I just did Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #24

I should say they 'only' monitor 1.6% of internet traffic. joshcryer Aug 2013 #27

Still a wildly misleading number for them to be citing. woo me with science Aug 2013 #29

Well, the 75% is "US" traffic. joshcryer Aug 2013 #31

"Clever" woo me with science Aug 2013 #33

If there were a law that simply said JDPriestly Aug 2013 #34

SCOTUS has been consistent for almost 40 years now Recursion Aug 2013 #36

The case law concerns obtaining specific pen registers related to a specific criminal investigation. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #37

You're ignoring how broad the opinion actually is Recursion Aug 2013 #53

So, once again, Recursion, apologies. Th1onein Aug 2013 #50

You're blaming me for applying existing case law to the question? Recursion Aug 2013 #52

HERE WE GO AGAIN with the "Oh, but it's LEGAL arguments." Th1onein Aug 2013 #54

Hear, hear! LearningCurve Aug 2013 #10

Unfortunately, I don't think we're getting it, in this case. Th1onein Aug 2013 #51

Noted. Also would like to say my respect for you has now grown for what it's worth. /nt Dragonfli Aug 2013 #14

KnR, Recursion Hekate Aug 2013 #18

Gee, no shit? Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #20

No, the opinion shows that violations were flagged and corrected. ProSense Aug 2013 #21

Nonetheless, my position *was* "I have not seen evidence of misuse" Recursion Aug 2013 #25

No doubt ProSense Aug 2013 #32

You are arguing with a person who is not having a discussion. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #59

Right, I didn't see any misuse in the OP either...just that the violations were flagged uponit7771 Aug 2013 #41

PRISM reminds me of Original Released Minority Report. joshcryer Aug 2013 #23

Does that djinn fit back in that bottle? Recursion Aug 2013 #26

Don't think so. joshcryer Aug 2013 #28

+1 I am certain their plan is to present us with some purely decorative "reforms" woo me with science Aug 2013 #30

Of course that's what they have to do, to save the programs, limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #46

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #35

"Other declassified documents illustrate key House and Senate lawmakers were... ProSense Aug 2013 #38

Admirable post, good for you :) steve2470 Aug 2013 #39

But have you learned from your error? woo me with science Aug 2013 #40

+1000 kentuck Aug 2013 #42

Thanks. I keep forgetting woo me with science Aug 2013 #44

Are you trying to bend over backwards to show objectivity? randome Aug 2013 #43

. great white snark Aug 2013 #57

1) Collection is misuse. 2) We saw they were giving it to the DEA limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #45

"Collection is misuse." woo me with science Aug 2013 #48

Thanks for that! hootinholler Aug 2013 #47

Bravo! Pholus Aug 2013 #55

That's like Assange saying Manning's conviction was a significant strategic victory railsback Aug 2013 #56

That is commendable. Jamastiene Aug 2013 #58

Transparency is not going to happen. K&R for your honesty. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #60